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drealmer7: I think you're addressing me here, my name is drealmer7.
I am sorry for getting your name wrong, but you too called us by wrong names in the past (Kyrpsyn is one I recall) and others did too and no one bothered so there is no need to pretend like you don't know what I meant.

And no, the post doesn't address what I asked at all.
Saying he moved down because he is more subtle explains nothing about why you suspected him in the first place and why he was moving up.

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trentonlf: In the post he directed you too you will find this:
" I am just probably almost as comfortable going ahead and voting for krypsyn or trentonlf (who has moved down in most viable candidate, obviously, by the casting of my vote for you, and the reason for me not casting my vote for him and doing you instead at this point, is because he is much more subtle in his intruder-like behavior than you or krypsyn have been, I'm comfortable just keeping my eye on him for the next few rounds of elimination and see how suspicion on him might build or decline "
That says nothing about why he put you at the first spot and the reasons why he already said two times you moved up in suspicion while suddenly you apparently moved down according to recent post.
But most likely it is because the list and rest of those suspicions were made up with little actual thought or consistency given to them.



Meh, why do I even bother?!




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drealmer7: My thoughts on the CRISIS at hand (just possibilities, I'm not saying I DEFINITELY think it is these ways, just, pontificating out loud for anyone who cares to hear, skip if you don't, I suppose!):

Each team has 1 intruder, 1 crew-member, OR there is 1 intruder among the 4.
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I am going to give you one more shot.
Of those picked who do you think are the 1-2 intruders?
I just had an idea! The pain was blinding, but, when I came to, I was left with a notion. I figure it would be just peachy if all you chuckleheads who haven't voted yet would, you know, place your vote on someone. I know, crazy, right?

If any of you say that you still don't have a notion of who might be scummy, then I will be forced to give you a double F minus. It is similar to 'Double Secret Probation' or '50 DKP minus', so you know it is bad news.

Just to help ya'll out, I just wanted to let you know that it is totally fine to vote for me as a fall back. I promise I am not a Jester or a Bomb or anything like that. So, don't let that get in your way of a good and healthy vote! :)

*This advert has been brought to you by the "Krypsyn For Prettiest Princess Coalition"*
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drealmer7: And, now that I think about it some more, my suspicion of you would certainly rise if you voted for me, because, if you are an intruder, it would mean you are threatened by my continuous assessment of the situation, calling you into question and others of your alliance. It also would make sense, regardless of who votes for me or not at whatever points, that if I die on our first overnight, that it would be likely that my assessments of you, trentonlf, Vitek, and possibly even HSL are correct and you wanted to eliminate me for being so good at figuring out the situation. Those other 3 wouldn't even have to openly vote for me, and, in fact, probably wouldn't do so because it would just confirm some suspicion in a way if I were to die at night.
Sweet mother of WIFOM, that is one of the worst analysis I've read. If you die overnight, that means your suspicions are correct? Seriously?

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drealmer7: Each team has 1 intruder, 1 crew-member, OR there is 1 intruder among the 4.
Please explain why you ignore the possibility of 4 crew members being the ones selected for handling the crisis. There is only one way you can know for sure that an intruder has been selected for it, and it's not a good one.
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agentcarr16: Problem is...
That's not my post.
Did you link wrong, or do you actually mean mchack?
My bad. I mixed you guys up, it seems sleep deprivation is finally taking it's toll. Sorry about that. I meant mchack.
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JMich: Sweet mother of WIFOM, that is one of the worst analysis I've read. If you die overnight, that means your suspicions are correct? Seriously?
I thought it was a quite good reply to my question, actually. I mean... it was a little heavy on the WIFOM and light on the OMGUS, relatively speaking, but it hit both targets well enough.
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Krypsyn: ... I am not a Jester or a Bomb or anything like that....
heh.


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mchack: *snap*
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Vitek: ...
Or maybe because I disliked people volunteering and saying what stat they are proficient in, moreso without actually knowing if they stats are indeed any good.
Or more likely just because I am flippant, like to mess around, like to post stuff even if it don't push any real serious agenda and would never ever imagine people would find such post scummy.

Or maybe it was scum plot to get Krypsyn call me Übermensch to learn he has lower stats than that.
So your answer finally arived and I'm not happy. Let me explain why:

It's riddled with maybes instead of straight out saying what you thought. So I'm going with the "more likely" part since that's what you seem to think was what you most likely thought.
So if for some reason this crisis fails and I were to say oh, sorry guys FIN wasn't actually my highest stat, I was just feeling flippant and liked to mess around... would you vote for me?
or if I said nah my pm didn't actually say "Generator Technician" it was just because I dislike people putting their ranks out there, moreso without actually knowing if it helps in a crisis... would you vote for me?
Well I would and so I do.
And I really don't know how you can play this game and "would never ever imagine people would find [lying about PM] scummy"...
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mchack: And I really don't know how you can play this game and "would never ever imagine people would find [lying about PM] scummy"...
"Would never imagine someone could find post with outrageous and clearly not real stats as scummy and make big deal of it."
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mchack: And I really don't know how you can play this game and "would never ever imagine people would find [lying about PM] scummy"...
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Vitek: "Would never imagine someone could find post with outrageous and clearly not real stats as scummy and make big deal of it."
well for me it's a matter of principle to take very much care when talking pm that it's all true whereas you seem to think if it outrageously wrong enough that's ok.

We seem to just have different views on that and I'll stay on mine but I'm not the one to decide whether you get lynched today, it's all of us together, so if most people think it's ok to lie if it's outrageous enough then so be it, you live and we can go on voting on hunches again.

But I fear for the day something is disproved in the course of the game and scum can point on your case and go. "Hey he did get away with it, and what I said was obviously and outragiously false from the beginning anyway..."
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drealmer7: *taps the monitor*

Q.U.A.D., you finicky thing, can I please *request a vote-count?
...I swear, I thought I saw this on Sunday before I left for the day, looked for it again and couldn't find it. I bet I didn't search with the dash included. :P

Anyway:

Vote Count

Ixamyakxim: 5 (yogsloth, Vitek, trentonlf, HypersomniacLive, dedoporno)
Vitek: 3 (JMich, mchack, drealmer7)
drealmer7: 1 (CarrionCrow)
HypersomniacLive: 1 (Ixamyakxim)
Krypsyn: 1 (agentcarr16)
HijacK: 1 (RWarehall)
mchack: 1 (Krypsyn)

Not voting: Crewdroog, flubbucket, HijacK.
Closest to lynch is Ixamyakxim at L-4.

Roughly 12 hours until the Crisis Event selection ends.
Post edited October 12, 2015 by QuadrAlien
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QuadrAlien: Not voting: Crewdroog, JMich, flubbucket.
Oy, I voted.
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QuadrAlien: Vitek: 2 (mchack, Krypsyn)
I think I am voted by drealmer, not Krypsyn.
Curses. Been trying to do the votecount at work. Give me some time.
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QuadrAlien: Curses. Been trying to do the votecount at work. Give me some time.
Also I have a feeling that HijacK unvoted drealmer but I am not sure on that one.
Round and round and round and on and on and on we go, apparently.
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Vitek: And no, the post doesn't address what I asked at all.
Saying he moved down because he is more subtle explains nothing about why you suspected him in the first place and why he was moving up.
I explained it at the times I said them, in the first place, as much as there was to say, there's nothing more to read into it all than anything I said at the times. Seriously. there's nothing more to it than beyond that! To me, he has been subtly fishy the entire time, not in every single post, but in a post here and there and there and, basically from the beginning. Nothing hardcare suspicious, nothing I am not open to someone having a different view on. You want me to point out specific log-entry or something? I don't know why, it's not that I'm opposed to it, I just feel like I pointed out/addressed whatever little things there were AT THE TIME ALREADY. Anything more you're fishing for from what I said isn't there, it's like you're trying to make more of what I said than what I said. I

don't know any of you any way and so I could be completely off on assessments of behavior, I realize this! Please, I'm open to other perspectives on everyone! There's nothing super glaringly specificly hard, just the accumulation of his modes of behavior from beginning until now, overall seems a bit fishy. It's just conjecture/assumptioni at this point, I know, and I'm simply doing my best to discern who the intruders are.

There's nothing SUDDEN to what I'm doing with my perspectives, quite the contrary, it's been a slow progression of small observances, at this point, that is the best I can tell you. Holy-frikken-geez! Like I said, some people just want to treat me as "damned if I do, damned if I don't." I am the most open to no-lynch (certainly not pushing for it at this point, obviously, but, it's nonsense to say I'm bloodthirsty, opportunistic, sudden-deciding anything!!!! And claims trying to make me so, add to suspicion, IN MY OPINION.

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Vitek: Of those picked who do you think are the 1-2 intruders?
I don't think THEY ARE intruders. I think EVERYONE could be intruders at this point, just as when we started, as, there are no hard facts to go on! My least suspicious people could just be doing a good job at not seeming suspicious, and the ones I do find more suspicious (including you) could be completely innocent and the things I've been finding off could just be wrong. DUH DUH DUH! Again, again, again, it's just the process we have to go through, to pick someone we think is possibly the most likely to be an intruder. AGAIN, I'm sorry if I'm wrong!

I really feel like everyone should stop being confused about what I think or whatever, not because I'm tired of addressing it or trying to explain myself, just, I don't see how my positions and perspectives aren't abundtly clear at this point, and, the focus should really go to someone else's perspective so we can hear what they have to think! PLEASE! Someone, give us some of your input on what you think to do next, because, I'm just getting pummeled back and forth I feel like by people taking advantage of my willingness to be wordy, trying to get it to annoy everyone else enough to just get fed up with it or whatever.

You think so and so and so and so shouldn't be here on my list or here on my list or whatever blah blah blah, fine, yeah, sure, I could be wrong, why don't YOU give ME reasons why you think I'm wrong, as, I'm totally open to hearing it, it can be as simple as a general opposed view like "nah, I don't think has actually said ANYthing that is fishy."

Really, I'm about to swear, and I almost never do!!!


lalalalallalalalaallalalaaaaaaaa


Seriously, what does someone else think about anything ?!?!?! (and before anyone goes OMG, why are you trying to be evasive and not answer things and trying to get other people to say things, OMFG, I fucking did as best as I could already, geezus, and that sort of talk is just intruder-talk to me at this point trying to get me more flustered or whatever else.)

I'm tired of hearing from me, that's for sure!

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JMich: Please explain why you ignore the possibility of 4 crew members being the ones selected for handling the crisis. There is only one way you can know for sure that an intruder has been selected for it, and it's not a good one.
I didn't ignore the possibility. Geezus fecking shet!!! Yes, of course, it could all 4 be crew members, I guess just the way IT SOUNDS TO ME, the BUNCH OF POSSIBILITIES I listed, TO ME, are the most likely. Damned if I do, damned if I don't eh? Ya know what, the most likely of the intruders on the list IS YOU. OHMYGOODNESS!!! HOW AWFUL OF ME TO THINK SUCH A THING?! Or, really, me guessing you is essentially as good as GUESSING anyone else, just as it has been from the very beginning. So, yeah, let's delay with a bunch of roundabout BS some more!

You complain about the roundabout of my logics and all of that. NO KIDDING. I'm just thinking outloud, trying to get some conversation going. Again, stuff like this just makes me think you're actually glad to just try and have me keep rambling on and on rather than provide anything more yourself or ask for more from others who've been practically silent.

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Krypsyn: I just had an idea! The pain was blinding, but, when I came to, I was left with a notion. I figure it would be just peachy if all you chuckleheads who haven't voted yet would, you know, place your vote on someone. I know, crazy, right?
Wow, what an idea. You've not said much for me to agree or disagree with at this point, but, hey, I agree with you here! Or, you know, we could just argue nuances of everyone's behavior until we starve to death, whatever.

And now we have a votecount, I feel like that should also be a call for "hey, so, what's everyone who hasn't voted think?!?!?!"

Who wants more giant logs from me? Please, tell me you don't understand my position STILL, and I'll be glad to lay another one on everyone (not really glad, but, you're giving me no choice at this point, I feel.)
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QuadrAlien: Vote Count

Ixamyakxim: 5 (yogsloth, Vitek, trentonlf, HypersomniacLive, dedoporno)
Vitek: 3 (JMich, mchack, drealmer7)
drealmer7: 1 (CarrionCrow)
HypersomniacLive: 1 (Ixamyakxim)
Krypsyn: 1 (agentcarr16)
HijacK: 1 (RWarehall)
mchack: 1 (Krypsyn)

Not voting: Crewdroog, flubbucket, HijacK.
Closest to lynch is Ixamyakxim at L-4.

Roughly 12 hours until the Crisis Event selection ends.
Here's a theory and some thoughts that I'd like to hear what people think about if they care to share... Of course this is pure speculation just like any other theory of mine or anyone else's at this point in the situation:

For reasons I'm not getting into in my post because it's been beaten to death already:

My 2 most suspicious people (Vitek and trentonlf) at this point have voted for Ixamyakxim (if the vote count is right.)

Again, I think the A.I. could be giving us ERRONEOUS INFORMATION , which is one of the FIRST theories I talked about that no one seems to think anything of even though the evidence of THAT is the most abundant and actually existent compared to ANYONE else in the entire group, of course, IMO. Maybe I should unvote Vitek and vote QuadrAlien like I suggested initially and see if anyone wants to jump on board with that idea and what happens if we vote to take something and destroy the entrie computer system somehow!

errrm, anyway, yeah, so:

Ixamyakxim was higher on my suspicion list to begin with, but my opinion is that their behavior was more of the "explanatory/conjecture" type of hypothesizing which is actually healthy for the group, and everyone else trying to make it anything other than that is taunting/baiting/messing with him, POTENTIALLY. (no certainties, I know, just my theory at this point!) HSL has also voted for Ixamyakxim and is, TO ME, starting to show trends of that very same behavior that I just described. 3 people acting fishy, to me, all voting for the same person. It is, to me, suspicious enough, to vote for one of them, and, to me, the most suspicious (by a lot now) is Vitek, so, I've voted for him, because, hey, I think it is time to go ahead and get EVERYONE's vote at this point, and I've given mine, that should be okay.

To me, mchack has been making a lot of sense, krypsyn has voted for him, my other suspicious person, I have no choice at this point but to start trying to trust my judgement and ascertain a handful of people who are more possibly intruders. I feel like my logic is goiing well enough as anyone else's, and that is all I can say in my defense, really.

Hey, let me throw this out there, just to talk about it, you know, because that is what we should be doing/need to be doing to resolve the situation/get it moving along, is that dedeporno, who has also voted for xamyakxim, to me, has shown some questionable behavior as well (what specifically, you ask? it's really just, again, an accumulation of small things here and there and just a complete blind guess almost, I raelize, and, I'm sorry for the speculating, dedeporno, it is what we must do.

Anyone else have thoughts they'd like to share that aren't related to my own? I'd love to hear them.