This is NOT a post saying I'm busy right now, I'll catch up to the thread later.

This is a post saying I'm totally caught up on the thread, and I will remain so, but I'll post my thoughts later, when I have access to a computer instead of this phone.

That's what I was telling you before. It has nothing do with my alignment at all.

You yourself said that you did not believe it and thought no one would, so how do you think it could sow confusion?


Oh my! Aren't you bloodthirsty one! I think true station crew wouldn't be so willing to murder people with no regard for their life and feelings. Only intruders are like that.

(or in other words, somewhat opportunistic vote as you waited for someone else to vote me first)



Trenton must be like miles ahead of the rest us already. He was at the top of your list and at least 2 times since then you said he is even more likely.
Could you provide resoning for that or will we get more nuddying. (Props for you for totally killing the Ix's case by your flailing around)


My guess (which is worth nothing): it is role and there is some chain of command if the player would die the next in line would handle assigning.

I totally agree that the team dispatcher (I coin the term from now on until we get the official name of the position) should stay in the dark, yes. But again we moved away from the previous topic (second time now). I'm not disputing your opinion on the matter, since after I asked you for it you took a firm standing. What I'm referring to is the general approach inconsistency. Last game (and most games at that matter) you couldn't care less for what others thought about it. You basically told us (I don't want to use the phrase "gave an order" since that would be a bit of an overstatement) the unrestrictor had to keep quite in order to stay safe and this time around you actually asked the others for their opinion without providing your own at the time. If I was a cynical man I would have said that you looked like you were feeling your way around to see what other may say about it and going from there. Who knows, with so many new faces on board the general opinion may have went that way or even the dispatcher could have come out on their own.

Good thing I'm not cynical enough to outright state such things though.

On another hand I also don't dig the idea of picking team members by their towniness. Agent spoke my mind about it with the only difference that he was talking about Vitek. Even so, the general idea of his post applies here as well. Randomly picking people doesn't at all increase the chance of successfully handling the crisis. The dispatcher may very well go and assemble a team of only crew members and they can fail anyway, since they were placed on the wrong stat sections.

Unlike the situation where a crisis is successfully addressed and the team shouldn't get more credit just because of that, a failed crisis will automatically put everyone that took part on the hot seat. If someone looks bad enough you can consider the deal closed. But remember, that was an all town team, so once again we did scum's work for them.


Remember how you said you had 2 people out of meta at the beginning and I was 1 off? Good news! I picked on the second one so we are on track :)

Let's see how things go with that crisis now.

I was going to comment on Hijack"s vote on drealmer7 due to his playstyle, but I see now that he retracted that vote, so won't open that again.


I've already asked you twice about a couple of things you said in your post #191, you simply ignored them, as did you ignore my question about agentcarr16 in the very post you selectively quoted. Am I to assume that you deem my questions irrelevant? If so, it's quite interesting that things you yourself first brought up are relevant, but questions about them are not. Is that your idea of effective communication and working together?


I totally expect Ixamyakxim to jump on me, but I smell a need for you to work on your Reading Skills.

Even before reading the edit, post #2 clearly stated what skills each STAT affects, and fixing things, which involves fine manipulation and use of smaller tools, is not part of INT.


Interesting that you cast your vote on Vitek, even though you still have trentonlf as #1 in your latest suspects list (still don't get why), and it kind of feels like you're piggybacking onto mchack's arguments to do so.

On top of that, you've been arguing against people that take a chance and cast their vote this whole time, but now it's fine to do so yourself?


[emphasis added]

How are you sure that the communicators still work? Wasn't the communication department bombed leaving us cut off? Was there a development on that front that I've missed?



I quoted you - unless I suddenly don't understand English at all, you said that you think it's best to ignore the volunteers (and whatever they've claimed regarding STATs), and base the choice on towniness. With the criteria being towniness, and the pool not including the volunteers, there's an implication that the volunteers are more suspect of being scum than others. I don't see how I'm twisting your words, and on purpose to boot.

Instead of making implications by calling "ruh roh, shaggy", how about you answer my question, and explain yourself?

*and that "mutual" should have been "mutually" in my post #650



It's not the "someone", but the "this player" that made me read it this way. After last game where we had a Self-Help Guru, and a backup one, what Vitek suggests is something that crossed my mind. As I said, I could be wrong.

Yeah, I know. This is right. I'm reaping what I've sown here.

After several games in a row of receiving the same kinds of criticism, and finishing the game with some bad stuff in my stomach because of how people react to some of what I do, I'm trying. The game should always be fun to play and something people look forward to doing, and I've had a negative effect more than a positive for some people. Between games I actually made a suggestion that I thought would help, but of course, it just made things even worse instantly. Before this game started I made a conscious decision to try and modify how I deal with other people and how I present things. Still try and be fun, and funny, and a leader in moving things forward, but I'm tired of being seen as a subtractor instead of an adder and there's nobody to blame for that, but to try and just change how I deal with others. I wasn't going to be all high-n-might and try to make a big deal of it, but there's no question I'm not yet comfortable. Since playing against one's meta is my main tool as well, I'm paying the price for it myself by deliberately trying to change mine.

This.

I am none too pleased with it either, HijacK. However, he is a new player, and that would likely be enough to stay my vote for the first Day. That is even without some other niggling concerns I have presently.

I knew I should have refreshed before posting.

Yeah, I could see this as plausible. The only trouble is that relaxing and going with the flow is often a scum tell. I know I have been guilty of it as scum before, as hard as I may try to mitigate it. But, fine, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. You need further observation anyway. ;)

Unvote: yogsloth

Vote: mchack

I have tried to tone down my overreactions this game, nothing worse than me being a downer for others. I need to remember it's just a game and it's a lot of fun ;)

For what it's worth I have found your play so far this game to be very helpful and engaging. Not that you have not been helpful and engaging in games past, but this time I find your play to be very pleasant.

I thought you might say that and you are correct. You never said you are not far off his. I was referring to your statement that you actually will think about it. Let's assume I was the dispatcher and had to pick who handles the crisis. I would almost certainly skip people that are penalized. I'm can't be certain about others but I'm sure most of them would think twice before going there. The fact that you are considering regardless of the penalty only makes sense if your stats are high enough for it to not be of that big impact. And with Vitek claiming 17+ stats.
As for my theory being wrong - I wasn't theorizing to accuse you in particular. I was just making a point and you were a good example.



I expected something along those lines and, as you see, I haven't pushed you further. Just shared some observations.
Krypsyn already said what my stance for the moment will be:

Speaking of Krypsyn

Details?

I think he gave me a pass too quickly, and I think he is giving Vitek too hard a time. While I technically did not lie, my statements were designed to mislead. While Vitek did technically lie, few people could have possibly been misled by his statements. Mchack's dogged adherence to the LAL rule, in the face of what I feel are fairly intuitive mitigating circumstances, make me think he is just scum looking for a 'pro-town' excuse to vote for someone.

Well, while I don't understand how there's anything in talking about pm that doesn't concern alignment at all, I want to reiterate my question:

Why did you claim your FIN stat was 17 and that the others were even higher?
And I'm only seeing two reasonable answers to this:
a) Because it was the total honest truth (in that case Why not volunteer? and hopefully someone investigates you to back it up)
b) Because I felt that claiming fake stats would help (town?), insofar as ...

I found myself construing lies myself to prove a point or point out unchallenged lies in past games where it turned out in the end it was scum ( NEUTRAL BULLETPROOF BERSERKER comes to mind) but in fact I don't see why I should do either. It's like you only want to distract from the simple question I asked you (for like the fourth time now) and I'm losing my patience. Stop being so evasive and answer the only real question I asked you instead of starting to pick on the new guy :/

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too quickly? how the hell long should I go on after you, when you said you never ever said anything that goes against your pm, because you never ever said anything about your pm in the first place (apart that you may have a FIN stat)? That's an argument I just can't question anymore... Doesn't make you pro town, but neither does it leave me with a reason to go after you more than after others. I try to vote for my most scummy appearing person and that's what I do. If that makes me scum to you, I really can't help it.
And pray tell what's the fairly intuitive mitigating circumstances? You might have noticed I'm not that good at picking those up, but I guess if Vitek would just give me a sensible answer that I can dig, I'd be far less demanding. But this distracting and evading, makes him all the more scummy to me.

Missed this question earlier, sorry. I don't want Vitek today, no. There are others I would vote for, yes, but I think we're pretty much forced to table it until after the crisis.

The "why", not the "what".

Why did I do what I did? Why is Vitek doing what he did? What is the motivation for each of us?

I know what I think, but then again, I have a leg up because I already know my motivation was with 100% certitude.

You have asked Vitek why he did what he did, and you haven't received a straight answer. So, I think you have your motivation right there.