Looks like a pretty similar situation to me. There is a person here who appears to be rather important, considering we still don't know what will happen if they die or become incapacitated in some way.

I'll give you the one about it being a different game though. The number in the title is a dead giveaway.

Is it worthwhile for me to speculate or does that just confuse things?

Nah. I think I am the only vote on you, so it doesn't make sense to go into detail. However, I will say that your response wasn't entirely what I expected, and leave it at that.

I don't follow you. Didn't I say that? Are you agreeing with me word-for-word?

Finally caught up, I think. There are a couple of things from yesterday that I wanted to address/ reply to, but it's gotten late and I'm not feeling well enough to do so now.

For now, a couple of things from the latest page only:

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Or he could have realised what you just said, and tried to downplay it or deflect the attention drawn to his comment by JMich and you?



Even though you're asking yogsloth, and he already answered for himself, I'd say that the wording of post #2 suggests that it is the same player: This posted under "CRISIS EVENTS AND YOU", not under "CURRENT CRISIS EVENT: TESLASCARAB ASSAULT".

I could be wrong, but that's how I read it. In which case, it would only be damaging to town if they did what the mod allows them to do, especially this early in the game.


What I want to ask yogsloth though is following:

I don't see volunteers and picking based on towniness being mutual exclusive. Why not pick someone among volunteers if they read town? It may be more difficult on D1, but why dismiss volunteers? It kind of sounds like you think that everyone that volunteers is more likely to be scum than town.



Actually, it was who mentioned it first, followed by [url=https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_31_crisis_at_space_station_epsilon/post520]CarrionCrow.

HSL twisting my words on purpose?

Ruh roh, shaggy.

Trentonlf was talking about someone suggesting scum won't sabotage yet, and he brought up confusing JMich with me and/or dedoporno. I mentioned it in post 610 and dedoporno did in post 613. Vitek was the first to bring that option up, iirc, in 598 when is said he suspected scum would help out in the beginning in order to look more town.

Ixamyakxim and CarrionCrow mentioned this as a possibility, but never took a stand on it one way or the other.

Confusion is pretty much the order of the day when it comes to this game, I think. (At least in the beginning.) Question is, how much usefulness will people be able to dissect from it?

What confuses you? Why?

Maybe I should have used a different word. I meant confusion in terms of most of the players not even knowing who their allies are, people not knowing what all the mechanics of the game are (regarding crisis events), people going back and forth grasping at any snippet in an attempt to glean even a sliver of value from the talking.

That's about the size of it.

Uninformed Majority: Town

Informed Minority: Mafia

The referenced post being:

Ok, I'll try and then you tell me, how it makes much more sense when said by town?

How about sowing doubt in townies trying to volunteer that they are fit for the job (it came after a few voluntiers spoke up so maybe you wanted to stop that for some reason). You said before that post that you don't think volunteering is a good Idea, so you obviously have an agenda against it. But you never explained it, but just went on to lie about your stats. I don't know, maybe you think, without volunteers, the one doing the choosing will have a harder time picking suitable persons and that way it's more probable the crisis can fail, along with any ramifications that brings. And just by increasing the chance of picking the wrong guys for the job, one helps failing it without scum even having to try and be part of the mission and actively try and undermine it and thereby piling alot of scrutiny on themselves.

Well if that was the case, you did pile a lot of scrutiny on yourself anyway :P (hopefully - most seem not to care much about it)

But maybe it's even a neutral play to get some agenda furthered.

Anyway, I don't really like having to come up with Ideas of why you did what you did. So instead of asking me, please just explain what you were thinking when you posted it. If town, there should quite a good reason for lying about pm contents, for this can't be something a townie does just for fun.

Vote Vitek

Let's do it already is kind of how I feel at this point. We can handle it during the crisis now that teams have been chosen, they can reach us on their communicators while they work to cast their votes. Good luck, teams, hopefully there's not further sabotage by the intruders at the mission points, as well, the last thing we need is more trouble to contend with.

To me, this entire time, mchack has seemed complete crew-member to me and is making absolute sense. Vitek is just digging a bigger and bigger hole for himself and being fishy (maybe almost intentionally because he knows he's sunk at this point and just wants to cause some hub-bub?), I think it is pretty obvious at this point. Time to pull the trigger and eliminate! Honestly, I'd feel just as comfortable trying to eliminate krypsyn or trentonlf if anyone has a stronger feeling about them than Vitek at this point. But, the assuredness if of course not so sure, and, it's just a matter of feeling and meant to get things moving, especially since I don't seem to have a hope of getting a no-lynch vote majority at this point (and I agree, almost not point it in anyway, might as well take our chances!)

The other that seems most crew-like to me is yogsloth, and, yes, yogsloth, I want to hear what you have to say, most certainly. Are there any you are finding more suspicious than others? Can you feel comfortable at all voting Vitek at this point?

HSL is playing a fine line and is very hard to tell. I would say at this point Ix is not an intruder and more likely trentonlf and krpsyn are. Let's see how this goes already.

Please elaborate. You said that if you were scum, you would volunteer to get on the crisis to sabotage it. Doesn't that mean that you think scum would be sabotaging the crisis event if they were chosen for it? Doesn't that imply that if the crisis event isn't sabotaged, scum were not part of it? Feel free to explain what I am missing.

You haven't actually. You wondered who is doing the picking, and whether we want said person (not persons) to stay anonymous. You may have meant post 538 instead of the post you linked me to, which does mean you should be better at how you reply. I mean, C'mon, dude.
You also said a bit later, in reply to dedo:
Don't you mean the one doing the picking here? So you still believe he is a static role, instead of one being chosen for each crisis event (or chosen every game day).

Yes, and in previous game, somebody must have done the night kills as well. The somebody that did the night kill of night 1 may not be the same somebody that did the night kill of night 2, but somebody did both night kills. It may very well be a static role, or it may not. But do keep that in mind.