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Posted October 08, 2015
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trentonlf: What excuses are you referring too?
The fact votes are RVS or lack of an excuse thereof. You see, it is the first time in about 8 games anybody amassed this many RVS votes. If I am not mistaken, according to recent posts there are people who advocated joining the wagon to avoid no lynch.

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trentonlf: As for the voting, if you think yogs had an actual wagon forming on him I find it funny since I believe everyone's vote but mine was an RVS vote.
Your humor does not interest me when I take in consideration posts that state they will join in simply because.

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trentonlf: As I've already said my whole point to drealmer7 was to point out how he was only looking at it from one side.
Illuminate me. I already stated once. Let's look from the other side. What does your point prove? Because I see nothing. You argued for something that held no relevance in regards to the questions drealmer posed. You brought up a point that made no sense. He asked what would be the reason for voting yog. Sure. RVS would sound ok, except we got out of RVS around post 20 or 30, so that no longer is an acceptable excuse, especially in light of last game's RVS vote by scum that came pretty close to a deadline.

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trentonlf: I was not saying whether yogs was scum or town, just trying to help drealmer7 as it's his first game.
I am not sure your argument proved helpful. Once again, when I ask the reasons for which you vote someone, you don't just simply assume I may see that someone, X, as town, and then point me towards looking at him as scum in order to see your reasoning. I ask why, you answer with a reason, not with the question "why not?"
Posted October 08, 2015
first off, sorry for being so late to reply long work day (late shift), then I wanted to reply when I got home but took quite a while to catch up. Compiled this answer halfway through and then fell asleep on the couch while doing so. Then morning chores, taking the kid to kindergarten and back to catching up :) and here we are 16 hours later, still working on the same post ;)

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yogsloth: So I'm feeling a little bit like bait being trawled across the pond to see which fish give a bite. Normally, I'm OK with that... because I'm usually the one who puts that plan into place! Nevertheless, we seem to actually have a bite:

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mchack: if we're talking the deadline is neigh and to avoid a no-lynch then definitly yogsloth since he has the biggest wagon, hence most chance of avoiding a no-lynch. Wagon analysis helped us alot last game on day 2 I think, so I would like there to be a wagon to analyse :) (and a flip to make sense of it, obviously)
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yogsloth: Uh huh.
I don't get it. How does that make me a fish? Please tell me there wasn't one of those pickles on the hook *bleargh*

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trentonlf: I don't know, I actually agree with yogs on mchack' post, the tone is LAMIST and fells off to me. If somehow yog's wagon continues and he is lynched mchack has created a reason to be on it even if he doesn't think yogs is scum, trying to create himself a free pass to vote yogs. Still not a fan of yogs talking PM info, but now that it's a moot point I will

Unvote yogsloth
Had to look up LAMIST (Look At Me, I am So Town) before answering. So what, there isn't any way to post your thoughts without everyone thinking, you're scum? Too towny? If it came of that way, I can't help it. I was giving an earnest answer, but next time I guess I'm better off doing the krypsyn and say something scummy, so everyone can have a laugh and I'm off the hook :/
For Clarification: Vitek asked me whom I would vote for when I had to vote now. And on that I answered that I would probably vote for krypsyn, but in case the deadline was neigh (and with that I meant being very near the deadline like only a few hours left) then I would vote for yogsloth because he had the biggest wagon on him to avoid no-lynch. Don't know how I can make it any clearer than that. It was a what if question and I answered if this then that. It doesn't mean I wanted to reserve myself a spot on yogs wagon. I'd do the same to anyone having the biggest wagon just before the deadline and it worked out pretty well last game. We lynched scum that way, and even if we would end up lynching a towny it'd still be better than no-lynch, because of the wagon we'd have to analyse.
But alas the deadline is nowhere near right now, and for a day 1 it is actually a pretty fun game, so back to discussion.

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mchack: On Krypsyn:

I really don't know what to make of him this time around.
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Krypsyn: Bummer.

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mchack: -For one he doesn't post youtube links anymore (which has been commented on as him maybe not being scum this time around).
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Krypsyn: Irrelevant.

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mchack: -Secondly he is throwing out weird messages: #35 he states with a certainty that yogsloth is scum, which I guess, he could only have if he was scum himself, but then it wouldn't make sense to do it. Any elaboration on why you're so sure yogs is scum this time around, would be nice.
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Krypsyn: Redundant.

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mchack: -Thirdly he probably lied twice #42 and #76. But in #123 he says something that could be interpreted as never meaning it in the first place. On the other hand it could be all true of course, I only know my own stats and that's three without any snooker skills mentioned...
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Krypsyn: Heh.

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mchack: All in all, I think he's making too easy a target of himself, which I don't think he'd do as scum, so he might be town (or neutral) after all. Time will tell...
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Krypsyn: WIFOM.
Buzzwords.

If indeed you want to comment on what I said, at least try to form sentences. Doesn't really help clear anything up, when you just answer with "Heh."...

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CarrionCrow: The problem with a no-lynch is that the numbers need to be pared down. Figuring there are 4 scum and 12 town if it goes by the same ratio as the introductory game explanation.
@krypsyn Isn't this your cue or something? :P Last game you were all about listing all sorts of caveats when someone was saying how many scum might be left.

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@Krypsyn yet again: You've been breadcrumbing your stats there? #28 #35 #65 why?

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Crewdroog: @mchack: why should I believe you that since your PM had nothing to do with what was in the intro, then there is nothing to be gotten from it? How do I know I cant trust you?
You can't trust anyone in this game, unless you yourself investigated them or someone claims and enough people back it up. (making it less likely to be a scum ploy)
That said, I didn't say there's nothing to be gotten from the intro, only that from what I know based on my pm, I'm inclined to think it's just flavor.
Maybe some of the others mentioned in there can put their thoughts out on it, and collectively we can decide if there's anything relevant in there after all. or not.
I can only speak for myself.

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@drealmer7
Man your roleplaying really spices the game up, quite some funny stuff in there ;) but seriously no-lynch is such a bad idea that last game there even was a neutral in game with his win condition being only to get people to nolynch once. Then she'd have won, and of course it was rather impossible.

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HypersomniacLive: ಠ_ರೃ
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Ixamyakxim: I like this!

Vote RWarehall
I also would like to know what that's about. I know you refered to it in #278 as a poke vote, and that you said in #288 that you're still in rvs, but at least give some kind of reason when voting. Because just staying in RVS all day long, seems like a good way to start a wagon on anyone without having to do any explaining when it happens to turn out as a myslynch
off in the watch list with you.

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Ixamyakxim: I know we're always grasping at straws to some extent but I'm still feeling a lot of reaching, little concrete so far. Stabs in the dark as it were.
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yogsloth: Vote Ixamyakxim
same goes for you. see above :/

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Posted October 08, 2015
"EBWOP" (well it's not so much a edit as an apology for the formating)
Sorry, the quoting is messed up. I can't find the mistake (using the text file way of composing posts btw) all quotes have their respective /quote :/ also in the preview of the BE it also looked perfectly normal.
Is there such a thing as too many quotes in a post, so that it can't be parsed correctly anymore?
oh well, I'll take care to split up my posts in the future.
Posted October 08, 2015
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mchack: @drealmer7
Man your roleplaying really spices the game up, quite some funny stuff in there ;) but seriously no-lynch is such a bad idea that last game there even was a neutral in game with his win condition being only to get people to nolynch once. Then she'd have won, and of course it was rather impossible.
More often than not neutrals have their own agenda and their own victory condition meaning their win doesn't end the game automatically nor excludes another faction's win. My point is that you shouldn't be as scared of a neutral gaining their victory before your own faction, but they are always a good fallback option for a lynch if you don't have a better option.
Posted October 08, 2015
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yogsloth: Yay! Someone is better at making friends than me!
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HijacK: [...]

Omg. Drealmurica has a better way of insulting people than Hyper... Not sure what to make of this.

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Looks like HijacK got some serious competition.



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mchack: "EBWOP" (well it's not so much a edit as an apology for the formating)
Sorry, the quoting is messed up. I can't find the mistake (using the text file way of composing posts btw) all quotes have their respective /quote :/ also in the preview of the BE it also looked perfectly normal.
Is there such a thing as too many quotes in a post, so that it can't be parsed correctly anymore?
oh well, I'll take care to split up my posts in the future.
If you take a close look at your post, you'll see that you didn't properly close the quote of yogsloth's post #182 (probably because of manually adding back in your own post #173, BE cuts out quoted posts within quoted posts), so everything you quoted and replied to was made a part of that.
Posted October 08, 2015
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mchack: <snip>
*twitches and grimaces every time mchack says "The deadline is neigh*
Posted October 08, 2015
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mchack: <snip>
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agentcarr16: *twitches and grimaces every time mchack says "The deadline is neigh*
Can I be the knight that says neigh, Neigh, NEIGH? :P

seriously, sorry, I never auto-spellcheck my posts, but I'll try to get my text editor to do that from now on...
Posted October 08, 2015
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mchack:
You actually picked up on a trait of mine - whether I'm town or scum, especially in the early game I tend to like to push wagons. I do it because 1) I feel a lot of people are a bit timid, it needs to be done and someone has to do it and 2) eventually the ugly reality of day one is that we need to pile on someone and then get into the "meat" of the game (have our specials start doing their thing and prodding us along, working over the reasons for the night kill, getting ready to figure out where and when scum got on based on how they start to vote later).

I also have another tendency, and this one gets me in trouble. I do like to drop votes with no explanation, especially when the game slows down. It draws attention (often to me LOL - whoops that's a bit of an unintended side effect) and raises a few eyebrows, plus I get to explain it later often with a bit more scrutiny from others than if I had dropped the vote in a wall of text.

So, there you go - Ix's playstyle in a nutshell.
Posted October 08, 2015
So here’s the story on my Ix vote-

Let’s start with #125:

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Ixamyakxim: I'm guessing he either wanted to see who would be quick to latch onto his declaration that yog was scum, thereby having a likely excuse to build the train on yog? Or that he wanted to see who would pounce on him for taking us out of random vote casting with such a specious statement. The he in all those "hes" being Krysyn of course.

Here, I'll oblige one vote yogsoth
So here’s the fourth vote on my wagon. This is the one that stinks. This is the point where, if one was not already aware that RVS had largely been left behind, the very act of placing this vote should have let Ix know he was one of the ones driving the group out of RVS himself. Look at the way he has phrased his vote – it’s just ambiguous enough so that if the wagon rolls, he can claim he has a legitimate place on it, and if it doesn’t, he can claim it was just random or to prove some other point. There is simply now way, however, to not know that placing the fourth vote on a speedwagon is meaningful.

Go up to #246:

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Ixamyakxim: *shrug - I often like to push wagons early on in game. We really (or at least I) don't have much to go on yet. Now we know the wagon on you stalled. I don't know why, but my *gut* so far actually just says tentative play while we're all sort of feeling around.
My wagon has fallen apart, so he can now safely excuse his vote as not being serious – placing a fourth vote on a Day 1 wagon when he doesn’t really mean it is something he “often” does. The wagon didn’t roll, so now he can safely get off without looking over-committed. Note very closely however how he doesn’t “know why” my wagon stalled. How about because it was largely composed of RVS (or other essentially lightweight) votes, until yours, and wasn’t ever destined to roll? How can you not understand this? Ix, are we or are we not in RVS? There is a direct and explicit conflict here. He wants his vote to be meaningless and believe we are still in RVS, but at the same time, he is explicitly stating that there should be a valid reason for my wagon to not stall, else there would be no reason to question why it did stall. You can’t have both.

Then… all the way down to #288:

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Ixamyakxim: Really? Because I still feel deep in the RVS doldrums myself! Althought I could be missing something and would love more input.
He claims he’s still in RVS.

You just can’t have both.

This is a tell. It just is. He’s trying to push a wagon on me, doesn’t know why it stalls, but j/k guys I’ve been in RVS this whole time.

….and pre-post refresh:

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Ixamyakxim: You actually picked up on a trait of mine - whether I'm town or scum, especially in the early game I tend to like to push wagons.

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I also have another tendency, and this one gets me in trouble. I do like to drop votes with no explanation,
Ok, guys, see, it’s all OK! He likes to push wagons and place votes that he doesn’t really mean. It’s totally OK.

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Look, we’re deep in enough that I think it’s time to really get going. I realize that neither I nor anyone else has had anything meaningful enough to blow the doors open Day 1. Games 26 and 30 were the exceptions, not the rule, and with nothing much to go on… it’s time to do the best we can with what we have. With sixteen players in the game, it should be a reasonably target-rich environment. Even with what little we have, we can start separating players into degrees of likelihood. All Town needs to do to win is reduce the pool of most-likely candidates enough to get started, and we’re there now. (Silly hint: there are at least two players I believe are playing distinctly against their meta, and that’s on top of the guy I’m voting for.) I want no part of new players first Day, there are a few others I won’t be lynching Today either, so of those left, it’s time to pick and go.

I also realize I’m spitting in the wind, as usual. There’s no deadline, so… yeah, good luck with that plan, me.
Posted October 08, 2015
We could always talk about what we suspect of game setup to get something going and irritate Trentonlf...
Posted October 08, 2015
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yogsloth: How about because it was largely composed of RVS (or other essentially lightweight) votes, until yours, and wasn’t ever destined to roll? How can you not understand this? Ix, are we or are we not in RVS? There is a direct and explicit conflict here.
I really don't think there's a conflict here. More likely than not, the person getting lynched today will be a series of people just tossing their vote RVS style, with a few scum mixed in. And like always, the wagon will roll fast and hard and sudden. Sucks for the person that gets lynched but there isn't a conflict between RVS (at least as I understand it) and a wagon eventually reaching a mass beyond 4 or 5 votes, especially in a game this large.

I think it stalled because the bulk of scum are still on the sidelines, along with the typical usual early game lurkers and a group of newbies that don't want to put their necks too far onto the block too soon, but that's just my hunch.
Posted October 08, 2015
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Ixamyakxim: You actually picked up on a trait of mine - whether I'm town or scum, especially in the early game I tend to like to push wagons.
Can anyone who played with Ix on both sides confirm this?

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Ixamyakxim: Now we know the wagon on you stalled. I don't know why, but my *gut* so far actually just says tentative play while we're all sort of feeling around.
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yogsloth: ...The wagon didn’t roll, so now he can safely get off without looking over-committed. Note very closely however how he doesn’t “know why” my wagon stalled. How about because it was largely composed of RVS (or other essentially lightweight) votes, until yours, and wasn’t ever destined to roll? ...
Guh, really?

You don't know why, Ix?
Were you disappointed much?

Vote Ixamyakxim

Pre-post edit: And you believe D1 lynch is mostly composed of RVS votes and scum? Ooookay...
Posted October 08, 2015
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mchack:
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Ixamyakxim: You actually picked up on a trait of mine - whether I'm town or scum, especially in the early game I tend to like to push wagons. I do it because 1) I feel a lot of people are a bit timid, it needs to be done and someone has to do it and 2) eventually the ugly reality of day one is that we need to pile on someone and then get into the "meat" of the game (have our specials start doing their thing and prodding us along, working over the reasons for the night kill, getting ready to figure out where and when scum got on based on how they start to vote later).

I also have another tendency, and this one gets me in trouble. I do like to drop votes with no explanation, especially when the game slows down. It draws attention (often to me LOL - whoops that's a bit of an unintended side effect) and raises a few eyebrows, plus I get to explain it later often with a bit more scrutiny from others than if I had dropped the vote in a wall of text.

So, there you go - Ix's playstyle in a nutshell.
thanks for the explanation and I think I see your point. But then again, I don't really get how this is different from what adaliabooks got lynched for day 1 in game 29. As far as I remember he was propagating that he didn't really care who gets lynched as long as the day one ended with it. He was getting quite a lot of people worked up by it and also in game #30 he claimed an early vote of his to be a Random vote and was also getting alot of flak for it.
So not saying why you vote for someone and just doing it seemingly randomly, I don't see why you should get through with it with almost noone raising an eyebrow? (trent shouldn't you be all over him for that?)
That said, I never was all that bothered by it myself last game and when observing game #29. Though as I said before, I've realised now why that would be bad, since it robs the post lynch analysis of one target, because it just was a kinda random without any reason anyway.

on refresh:
okay I guess you do get some flak for it acutally...
@quadralien, could we get a vote count, please?
Posted October 08, 2015
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Ixamyakxim: 1) I feel a lot of people are a bit timid, it needs to be done and someone has to do it and 2) eventually the ugly reality of day one is that we need to pile on someone and then get into the "meat" of the game
At least Books, Wyrm and YOg had the decency to step up and get themselves on the chopping block. I'm not a fan of the idea of pushing someone else over just so we can get going and they were the easiest to push over the edge.


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Ixamyakxim: I also have another tendency, and this one gets me in trouble. I do like to drop votes with no explanation, especially when the game slows down. It draws attention (often to me LOL - whoops that's a bit of an unintended side effect) and raises a few eyebrows, plus I get to explain it later often with a bit more scrutiny from others than if I had dropped the vote in a wall of text.
What bothers me in this approach is that it can be used for nefarious goals. If you're scum and no one says anything, good for you. You sneaked in and pushed said wagon. If someone calls out on you, you can take your time and figure out what and how to say and twist your way out of it. If you're Town I don't see it as a good play at all since you are basically sacrificing another player based on nothing.
Posted October 08, 2015
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yogsloth: I...
I agree with you on Ixamyakxim. Pushing a wagon for no other reason than to push a wagon is what scum do, and trying to justify it as "That's what I tend to do town or scum" is a pretty weak reason.

I also am with you on being annoyed that people want to wait until a deadline is presented to do anything. There's only so much idle pointless chatter we can do before it gets to the point of people losing interest.


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RWarehall: We could always talk about what we suspect of game setup to get something going and irritate Trentonlf...
As long as you don't talk about PM information or role information I have no issues with it ;)

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Ixamyakxim: I really don't think there's a conflict here. More likely than not, the person getting lynched today will be a series of people just tossing their vote RVS style, with a few scum mixed in.
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What?? You honestly think no one will vote based on who they really think might be scum? Anyone who votes on Day 1 is just voting RVS style as you put it? This sounds like you are just trying to find a way to vote whoever you want for no reason because it can be brushed off as RVS, very scummy.

Vote Ixamyakxim
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