So? Did we have a cop at all? Also noticed something interesting...Bookwyrm had cop like powers and didn't realize it. He "couldn't protect" Yogsloth night one because he was an alien (he didn't know why) and then couldn't protect JMich because he was a droid. Nice how we were not told of these reads...

Sorry, but lynching of innocent townies is part of the game, but at the end, (if given the opportunity), not revealing what you know makes one anti-town.

That and did we even have 2 town left with a FIN stat of 7 or more to succeed in the crisis event? Heck, I think we were lucky to find 3 with 7 INT especially since there were players who didn't have 7 in any stat...

well, I might've became your cop somewhere down the line :P and of course there's drealmer, so I don't think the crisises would have been totally useless for town at all, he was the main reason I didn't sabotage day 2 (and I kinda regret it, knowing now we would have killed jmich in the process - of course then I would haven been lynched day 3 for it)...
about having high int, there was always adalia as fallback he was kinda accepted town after that great claim(s), right? ;) oh btw, for anyone still wondering why adalia claimed coroner because of not having read the first post of the scum thread: Hijack here would have become our FUBAR Ninja somewhere down the line and he would have nightkilled without leaving any flip (earliest night 6) :D I really was looking forward to that, but oh well...

And probably last aside...I did have a second power...but it was the "Final Delegation" where on my death I pass the "Delegate" power to whom I choose. Late in Day 1 I realized that kinda makes me "Vanilla" since my power doesn't die and with so many confirmed, I really couldn't make a mistake. In other words, I was drawing a NK because the loss of a Vanilla would prevent the likely loss of an actual town role. Die for the cause, if you are town, you help town even with your death...

Or draw scum roleblocks, either way, win win for town...

LOL I see you're taking a page from my book ;) I'm the most ADD moderator ever - after a few days of circular logic I break out the D12, shake it menacingly in my hand and promise that soon random townie heads will roll! ;)

**So fucking sorry Ix, I really thought there would be time to talk about the lynch/for you to give a defense or others to jump off your vote or make arguments why you shouldn't be voted for BEFORE it is finalized. I really think that is a better wray to play (that is how I played 2 live-flesh version of Werewolf.) It allowed for much more interesting play and no possibility for speed-lynching, which a "town" would NEVER do, and doing that is just completely scummy play to me, AGAIN, so sorry Ix.

I KNEW you weren't scum, GAH! I was looking forward to analyzing your wagon BEFORE the lynch and probably turn the vote off of you onto someone else (like I did at the early point in the game when your wagon first stalled, and pushed it to Vitek, who I would have probably again tried to push it to, erroneously obviously. but I'm sure we could have saved you from being lynched, you were so town to me! So weird how you played that Vitek, I don't understand any of how you played vs. Ix "waving your scum flag", not understanding his "brainstorming analysis outloud contemplations of a flustered townie" being exactly that, but it's all good.) Sorry for fucking that up EVERYONE, really, I messed the game up, I feel, by hammering Ix early.

I thought it was more likely that mchack was the 1/4 on the Ix wagon that was the intruder, especially after I verified to myself that crew/bookwyrm was town (which I don't know how got missed and he got lynched, so fucking stupid IMO) but mchack wasn't providing much evidence against himself and bookwyrm was acting weird, but I was quite sure he was what he turned out to be. This also pushed yogs more likely because I thought it was more likely 2/4 were intruders on the wagon before krypsyn joined, then Vitek at 6 (which to me, again, I thought was the final scum vote to pusht he wagon over the edge of "very likely" to roll to a lynch.)

I am a bit upset how you played that book, but, whatever, no biggie, moving on. It's a game that was fun and everyone should play it how they want to play it because to me that is what is most fun about it, just "playing" with anyone/everyone, whether you are town or scum, trying to discern for yourself the truths or push an agenda that you believe in. I mean the analyzing and all that is "fun" and the engaging part of the game that makes it come to full-interesting-enough-to-play, but, it's just a game of complete conjecture and emptiness basically from the start, with a slow accumulation of information, and, so, you might as well have fun with doing all of that. CarrionCrow, obviously not a game for you, I think. I'm glad you stuck it out though and didn't give up mid-game. I do appreciate that at least.

So, I also feel like I was a little responsible for defending mchack and the whole mod-interuption and role discrepency that was such an issue in the first place that should have probably gotten him lynched. I was pretty sure he was the intruder just as it seemed (and everyone saw, I saw, but, for some reason, I didn't want to ASSUME and was trying to play the game "more fair" for the moderator and "suspend disbelief' or give the benefit of the doubt or something.) Again, sorry everyone! This makes me want to be more on-board with "policy lynching", but I find that to be a horrible thing in principle because, to me, it is just reason to make bad assumptions and THAT(trying to push a policy lynch) to me is the scummier behavior than whatever "bad practice" someone might be doing. I'm sure I'll lie as a townie at some point. Lynch me for it? You are scummier than I am, IMO.

mchack, why didn't you sabotage the 2nd crisis? I was playing so hard that I believed you weren't scum and hoping you'd sabotage and I could confirm you, was almost certain that was how it was going to play. GAH!! well-played on waiting, well played! but why didn't you do it?!

I never really thought JMich was scum (especially after I confirmed the non-sabotage simple stat-fail of his, I was quite sure it was not sabotage at that point and therefore he was even more confirmed town, even though I was quite sure already, from very early), he was my decoy most of the game, but it never seemed to catch as I was trying to get it to. I was waiting for a team of 2 that I found already more likely to present themselves as trying to go for JMich, and turning the focus on them (which did eventually start to happen, as adalia was doing it quite obviously to me, and so to me he was confirmed scum because it compiled some previous behavior.) I figured either mchack or yogs would join adalia and that was going to confirm either of them for me as scum, I was more certain of mchack though than any one else.

Am I revealing too much? So many thoughts, I'm sure you're all tired of hearing from me. Thanks again for bearing with me, supporting my play, or at least, for not lynching me because of my playstyle. Also, I will probably bring up no-lynch again in the future, just because, well, it's something to discuss as a town, really, we can't just lynch someone for the hell of it/out of policy IMO. Especially if people are more open and talk about if they have investigatory roles or what actions they might perform. I think communicating all that can be helpful, but not too early, of course, which, again, validates the certain values to a no-lynch (as admitted by JMich himself!)

GOOD game, thanks, sorry it had to end this way, but I feel it makes sense, especially with the confirmed mchack intruder position. DAMNIT! I like how it was handled to end, well done, intruder team. I don't blame you!

*jettisons self out of airlock*

Yeah I think the crisis could have become very useful for town and not especially dangerous down the line (even given a sabotage possibility, there was a lot to be learned potentially and I really think my role had more potential power and was done VERY well, IMO.) Which is why I thought a few people pushing Book were definitely intruders, because book had the right idea about the crisis, in my view, and some of the opposing voices seemed like scared-scum afraid of the intricacies of the crisis being discussed by town.) Of course it would have been specially useful had mchack sabotaged day2 like he was tempted. I had picked the right target to investigate on day2, and think I had a good grasp on everything that was going on.

I think JMich was also a great choice to investigate, as it confirmed us both for town and allowed us to continue on as we did. I actually thought I was working with you for a good while there JMich, trying to draw scum to the discussion between us, even though I found you to be actually antagonistic to me at times, I thought you were mostly just playing it smart and I had confidence in that because of you being a vet. I was surprised I was unable to get scum to push the vote to you on a couple occasions and draw them out. I was also hoping that you'd pull the vote to me and try and see who went that way so we could focus on them, but actually it would have been hard to lynch me, adalia was the only one showing scum regarding me at any point legitimately I think. So I think you made the right choice. Unless you really did think I was scum, then, well, I don't know!!!
I didn't buy that claim, really, and also thought adalia was more confirmed scum after the krypsyn kill, and generally found a lot of confirmation for scummy play that I would have totally either called him into suspicion to fear into not sabotaging, or, laid low my suspicion/made him think I didn't find him suspicious, and he would have been #1 target of my investigation with crisis fail, if I lived through the night.)

I thought it was possible that scum was going to play to delay the next day until a crisis happened, sabotaged it with mchack or adalia if possible, then killed me at night (if I didn't die in the crisis) so I had no chance to investigate either.

well, congrats on your gambit then, it had everyone fooled...
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Dang. I thought I shut the airlock after you went through. Health and Safety, pshaw.

Heh, It didn't come together much until right before it all fell apart. I was distracted by Vitek, and thought he was your leader the whole time. But after he was revealed, after the initial confusion, it became more obvious. No one was listening to me anyway with my real theories vs. my fake theories, so I pretty much just played with myself the whole game and let it all do whatever, after the Ix kill anyway. And, as I said, you played it very well and confused me a bit with not sabotaging the 2nd crisis. I was surprised the lynch on you failed earlier in the game, and then realized it was because intruders were involved in not helping it move forward (which I helped not move it forward and realized my mistake, but, didn't know how to undo, so just waited), and then I was just waiting for an opportunity to move it forward on you after that while figuring out who helped you, but you played minimal after a bit and didn't do anything scummy, so, yeah. I obviously didn't play it how I should have and didn't mean to say I had it all figured out, just theories that were making more and more sense to me. I didn't have yogsloth "figured out" either, just you and adalia, and yogs was one of the few others that made sense given you+adalia, but yeah, it was just a strong theory that I hadn't had time to solidify enough to detail yet. I wasted too much time on my case for Vitek and not for yours. Or, just not enough time in the game happened, I think we could have definitely won. Will never know~!!! GAH!

You had too many fake theories for people to take your real theories seriously

I thought the fake theory on JMich would garner more votes quicker from scum. I realized I did too much too fast and at the wrong time, really. Ah well, I had fun anyway, for the most part.

It was lots of fun, it's too bad it fell apart :)

What? The game is over? I stopped paying attention long time ago, but still, that was anti-climactic.

So, who were the scum team in the end? Yog, HijacK and HSL/Books? I got those right :D Was there someone else though?

Anyway, the game looked great on paper!

mchack was the 4th scum :)