OK, OK, last thing I promise.

As I put the boys to bed I told them I told my "game friends" about the finger. They were adamant I show a picture.

So I present... Frankenfinger! Sorry for the glare. Pic taken an hour ago with my phone.

Yes, that's the laceration that wraps all the way round to the right edge and beyond. You can really see how the whole top of the finger nearly came off.

Teh awesome.

OK - goodnight all!

case for Vitek

Let's start at the beginning (and most of the evidence is based in "early game", but not too early that I don't think it is valid, still):

Maybe Ix simply pissed off the wrong "person" (intruder) here. Nothing too serious because it is early, but still, to be noted. Ix might have drawn a target on himself?

crewdroog points out Vitek is one of a handful yet to check in yet. Nothing too damning about that of course, just making a note of the timeline of it all. He spends a lot of his time making jokes and talking about things not related to this situation, adding nothing or not much too helpful or reasoned. I won't link everything he said, but, most of it I find to have been not worth much to this point. Here we go:

What entry would you all say we are out of RVS in? First post by Vitek, he votes yogsloth at 66. He is being scummy with his attitude I think. Or it is intruder-games with yogs? Who knows? It is odd/scummy to me. Like he is meaning to be joking, but, really he wants to vote Yogsloth and maybe get that wagon rolling...it might be the first in a trend of behavior that is scummy, just something to be noted, really. Then he is (again, pulling it off as if he is "joking" about it) accusatory here to RW and then here to JMich. I've noticed he and JMich do defend each other most of the time though. Asks "who is mafia" (more jokes, doing nothing) at 75. More baseless accusations masked in jokes here. Then he isn't really heard from until 159 with a non-contributory post.

But look he's already part of the yogsloth voting, but tries to draw attention to the vote again, who knows, it's scummy I think, regardless. Is it still supposed to be excusable because it is so early in the "game?" I think no, personally, he does want to lynch yogsloth, obviously, since he's voting for him still, hasn't unvoted it at this point, making sure it is counted even. Reduce yogsloth suspicion for me already in the game (on top of his very believable explanation for the changing of his attitude, even though I don't even think he had any need to explain to anyone why he would play the way he plays, ever, because accusing someone for the way they play, unless outright scummy play, is scummy play in itself, but it makes sense to want to "tone down" a bit if you tend to put people off when you play.)

Onward, follow the posts down from the last link and read Vitek's unfoldings, all suspect to me. 164, 165, Then, he excuses his own behavior of trying to speed-lynch yogsloth at the same time as demonishing others who behave the same way right here and the following posts back and forth with mchack. Down to 169-175 where he says his votes not even a vote, even though he's not unvoting, he's trying to get more votes accumulated on yogsloth while pretending like he's not really part of it? Just all seems very suspicious to me, and he never cares to explain himself I feel like.

Then more blind unreasonous blamings here. (though I don't disagree that RW could be an intruder, and I have been mistaken to put trust into him? Seems kind of believable with the crew picking, even if he is relaying for another person to draw attention away from someone? Hard to say, really.)

Then the jump on me for trying to talk about no-lynch. Does he see the yogsloth wagon has failed and is trying to start up a new one? Get another speed-lynch with people upset at me? Maybe further trying to reduce his own suspicious behavior regarding yogsloth too and coming off that vote? Then he is gone until he comes and talks about a previous game with krypsyn post 299, then gone again until he:

Vitek votes for Ix. Read that and the unfoldings with Ix and interpret as you will. Ix was just talking about how things go, and I can see what he meant really, he's discussing the game, and Vitek jumps on him, trying to push a new vote, seeing the yogsloth one has gone no where and that no one is going my way because of the no-lynch thing/me being new/not suspicious enough to get enough votes, so, yeah...onward...

Vitek's 3rd outright accusation of RW. Just noting.

He has a question for me regarding Ix at 383. Looks like he's trying to generate any discussion about Ix, because, sure, if someone else has suspicions he will try to coax them out in favor of his target? Just possibilities. I respond because, sure, why not, let's talk about it all. But he uses my responses as ways to cause trouble, not resolve anything.

He responds to some things at me at 424, more just trying to make me look scummy I think, confuse the issues and draw bad-connotations to me and Ix? At least just taunting me when I'm just trying to discuss the possibilities, which is more than he's done the whole game, It seems to me to be a bit scummy of him. Also look at 442, again I think just taunting me up to 448 trying to get people annoyed with me? It seems odd.

Oh and then this gem he is frustrated with the Ix lynch being stalled. Look at this here and then 468 from Ix.

It seems Vitek is upset Ix and I are discussing the game and, again, not getting Ix lynched faster. When a target it is up for lynch/close to it, it is really good to get discussion going around it more and more, and he seems upset with that. I know it came fast on Day2 for Ix, but, again, I think it was resolved to go that way at that point.

ARGH, is why I feel so personally responsible for the lynch of him, because rather than delay longer in day 2, I went ahead and folded and voted to get the deed done to see the result and move on with the situaiton. I'm so upset with that unfolding, which is why I was trying to go for someone ON Ix's wagon in the first 3-4. And why sometime's not lynching sometimes just happens, like it did D1, because not enough people can resolve on the target being a viable option.

I have slight respite in the fact that it looks like HijacK would have been the hammer shortly after me if I hadn't anyway, and so, I am willing to take the responsibility for the final vote on Ix, I suppose it is appropriate to have been me, and I do think Ix knew he was becoming a necessary sacrifice for things to unfold. I wish he would have had some last dying words to share with us.

...

Anwyay,

Then the much-covered 17stat claim unfoldings with Vitek. Which he doesn't participate much in, just happy to see it go off for a page+ or however long about it, causing issues and a fuss, but not worrying because it's not generating TOO much votes or ire towards him. JMich votes Vitek and mchack votes vitek as a result of all of that, I think, but vitek doesn't seem toooo worried because it wasn't much and derailed real progress.

Think it is good to note this krypsyn entry pointing that Vitek is first to bring up sabotage of the missions?

I vote for Vitek here at 658, my first vote. and at 662 Vitek just is completely defensive and trying to twist everything around on others, it seems possible? rather than simply explain his own actions/defend himself/my accusations or try to resolve. I understand not wanting to be accused, but, take it more reasonably I think is better. He says I derailed Ix's lynch, no, I prevented it the first time, is the truth as can be seen now. Wish I would haveprevented the 2nd time!

Read 673 onward with mchack, krypsyn, on the subject of vitek and other things with my long entries if you want, it just seems to be more scummy-ness on vitek to me.

Vitek and me 687 and onward a bit. He's defensive and trying to put the focus on me because I'm pushing his vote and got Ix's stalled for a day. Again, it seem that rather than just being reasonable and talking about all the things, he gets all uppity. Which is all part of why I was suspicious of and voting for him. 706 up to 719 is relevant stuff too about all that if any of you all want to look over more! I go on a bit in following posts from there about all sorts of stuff. 749 between vitek and myself. Ix posts some good thoughts here, just talking about the situation, pointing out Vitek's behavior.

844 from krypsynjust to note

Crew votes Vitek, and then Vitek's response with more trying to push blame on Ix. and then 924 getting at crew more. Getting fearful his wagon will build. Calm for a bit though and then...

Ix votes Vitek at 1097 then there's this response here. More around 1110, but then Vitek's wagon falls apart and he falls off for a while. Then:

More at RW here - just noting it.

Krypsyn here Then:

Out of the blue, Vitek can't be patient any more, and goes for a push on the most available wagon here. I think this is what finally pushes everyone to resolve to Ix too, because shit, the most viable wagon 2 days in, right? This is a large group and Vitek hopes he can get it going with ENOUGH people to pull it off, and does (just theories, I know!)

and this is the votecount here. 5 is the strong wagon-moving number at this point I feel with 8 needing the lynch. Especially strong with Ix having voted himself previously, I think Vitek knew that and was hoping it would roll the way it did, it was the power vote IMO. If there is another to consider a power-vote it is the middle vote at 4, but that was Kryps, who was town, and I don't feel as much of a "power" vote as 5th vote.

thisis a lot of the same list I have. 3 of my top 6 anyway in Vitek, flubbucket, trentonlf. adalia is a little back and forth, probably in my top 10. Large list, I know! 1917 of course Krypsyn has a theory, and we won't know what it is (maybe he knew that his 4th position vote would draw another intruder to the Ix wagon, and he was confident that the 5th voter would be intruder?! I think this is possible.)

That's my analysis of Vitek on Ix's wagon and some other stuff about Vitek's behavior and why I voted him before and still now and think you should too. Other cases for intruders I am still open to hearing though. I don't like votes with weak or no-clear/straightforward reasoning! Convince everyone why your vote is the best intruder target.

Maybe I am way off base, please tell me if you think so. Vitek, I'm of course wanting to/open to hear what you have to say, since it is you I am focused on.

844 came out as 66? Oops, well, you can find 844, krypsyn says what he does about Ix, not damning Vitek, saying he doesn't necessariliy think Vitek is viable target and Ix is a better one because c'mon already. I think he doesn't want to draw the ire of Vitek tooooo much/reveal how much he is suspicious of him, because he's afraid of getting lynched by a fearful Vitek+intruder team? Impossible to know~!

Have Quadr ever confirmed players chosen for the crisis event or do we only have RWare's word for it?

What?
He was?
Do you remember that part when we talked how he doesn't find me scummy and it is strange because he always does?


You recieved the boon for this Day?

Ah. I think I know this one, but as it gives away a town power role I won't mention anything other then I believe you and it seems plausible.

I'll come back to Bookkwyrm's post and questions / answers to me in a bit as I'm on my phone and can't respond properly.

Thanks for providing your results drealmer, that should help the analysis a bit.

@RWarehall
I seem to remember something about the dispatcher knowing the stat totals needed for the mission. Was that just conjecture by someone earlier or do you know a value that needed to be reached for us to succeed?

While awaiting the result of that question is does certainly look like sabotage. I can't imagine a higher set of stats for the mission so if we failed on stats alone we're probably pretty screwed for the rest of the game as they're only likely to get more difficult. Unless there is a random element to it too... But either way I think we need to try and agree a lynch before the next one...

HijacK was one of the people who's claim didn't make that much sense during Day 2. If both he and agentcarr16 were telling the truth, that would mean 3 roleblockers. He also said that he didn't use his power out of fear he would block a town power role, and when it was pointed out that he could also be protecting a power role, he said it wasn't worth the risk. So yes, if he was telling the truth, that meant he would be unlikely to use his power. If he was lying, then it meant he could be the one who would be doing the killing. Thus my reasoning.

Now, adaliabooks' read on dedo about "Counter Sabotage" does ring true to me, due to my second power, which also deals with crisis events. So, claim time.

People have asked for my stats. Those are 6, 6, 3, and assuming a scale of 1-10 it does mean above average STR and FIN, and below average INT. While they may not be exceptional, I do believe I am a very good choice for crisis events, because if they utterly fail, I will be sacrificed instead of a human town player.

Actually... having further thought about it, I'm not sure I do know who boosted trent's stats. I retract that statement.

Your completely missing the point. Let me spell it out for you.
If we had received the results of the crisis event before the end of the day we could have had the discussion about whether it was sabotaged or not. This may have led to lynching a member of the away team if they were suspected to have sabotaged.
So if scum know they are going to sabotage (and they could have decided to in advance in Night 1) it is in their benefit to let the crisis event happen and then lynch before it completes so that another townie dies before scrutiny can be turned on the away team.
I don't think RWarehall's list was accurate, of the people who went on the away mission Agent seems most likely to me to be scum, but as he has also claimed are only really useful investigative role (drealmer's role's usefulness is reduced since he claimed as scum are now aware of the danger of sabotage, though it doesn't appear to have put them off) so far I've backed off him for now.

I didn't. If he gets a read of sabotage that means scum. Unless your going to claim town can sabotage too?

Not reasonably convinced, but the back and forth with Krypsyn backs up his claim, and the claimed role seems one unlikely to be given to scum (giving them extra night actions seems pretty powerful) and as scum using that power to grant Jailkeeper to a town player seems a very risky move to just gain some town points... so definitely leaning town.

Trenton was first to join Krypsyn's vote against mchack's non-station claim. He is town.

Yep, that's a firm point in his favour, particularly after Krypsyn has flipped town.

Still wouldn't say I'm 100% sure he's town, but close enough for now.

Trent, when does your target get the item you give?

Yes



I have only given one item out and I gave it to Krypsyn during the night, I can only assume he got it then.

So then it was Krypsyn's inappropriate touching/locking/jailing??

I am assuming it was Krypsyn, I gave him the card that was a one shot jailer.