1) From my perspective, your claim of not blocking is roughly as substantiated as his claim of being blocked.
2) He provided approximately the same amount of flavor that Drealmer did.
3) If you and JMich are both town, then naturally the scum roleblocker isn't going to walk out and claim at this point. I don't think scum can afford even a 2 for 1 trade right now.

If you think he is the dispatcher (or covering for the dispatcher, and thus presumably still town), and there are confirmed town players, then what is the risk? Presumably the dispatcher only assigns confirmed townies for the mission, so no one sabotages the mission, so we incur no penalty.

On another note: it is an interesting assumption that only townies will be the victims of multiple failures during a crisis. What Quad said was "Failure to resolve a crisis event successfully will have penalties - this may include death of a crew member if multiple failures occur in one event. "

Dedo flipped town, but he didn't flip as a crew member. Also, the only way to know that all of the scum are not crew members is to be on the scum team. Could Dedo have died to this? Could a scum die to this?

the circles do certainly begin to wear, don't they? a solid track has been laid (as in there is more than enough out there to base votes on, and the more and more we don't eliminate, the more and more confusing it all becomes), let's put a wagon on it and see if it rolls?

I've gone back and analyzed ~ the first ten pages disconnected from everything else that has gone on since trying to get a read on who was initially the most intruder-like. Then I connect it to everything else with the analysis, and, now I'm tired...

I'm gonna assume no. The only real reason scum would choose to sabotage would be to try and kill off one (or more) town. It would put a lot of heat on all the players taking part in the mission if it failed, even more so if we get any actual confirmation it failed because of sabotage. If scum could end up killing themselves off.. why would they ever risk sabotaging? There would be so little reward that it would be pointless.

On the otherhand, if crew death can occur due to failing the mission because of low stats when no sabotage occurred it would make sense that any scum on the mission might be randomly picked too... so it some what depends on what circumstances can cause a crew member to die.

Heh.

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Also, I used the word "hearsay" above, and it really doesn't apply. But, well, I guess you folks can figure out what I meant anyway. Just look at the WIFOM mess we are in with the claims of blocking/jailing going on now? It has stirred up a lot of talk, which I think will have netted scum far more useful information than town has garnered. The only way out now, like it was at the start of the Day when I insta-voted adalaibooks, is to lynch someone for some relatively solid wagon data for analysis on Day 3.

I was justifying my vote. I do realize making a case based on this would make little sense.

Except it came after drealmer's and sounded pretty unflavorful as a matter of fact. "Oh, I got a blow to the head. Then I woke up." Comparing the 2 flavors reveals that agent's is too basic.

That is a fair point.

I think the issue with this is stats. I think it is probably set up so that in order to have all the stats that are required to most-likely or even have a chance at successfully resolving a crisis, the dispatcher might have to pick intruders, or possible-intruders, moreso than just pick who they think is confirmed/more likely crew.

Need someone with SNK stats for this crisis, only person with SNK stat is rogue character, the dispatcher doesn't have much choice (simple example, sure, but you get the idea) unless they want to risk failing the crisis/part of the crisis because they chose someone with less than sufficient stats. I think that is more dangerous than picking the person with the right stats and relying on their choice to try and mess it up or not.

Especially considering they might not want to try and sabotage because it could reflect back on them (hmm, this part of the crisis failed, 2 people were at it, either it failed because 1 of them sabotaged, or because it simply failed the dice-roll or whatever, either way, it's not so easy to sabotage.) Especially since, if 1 part of the crisis fails, you can bet on me investigating 1 of the people involved in that part. With my role-claim, I really hope to have dissuaded any potential saboteurs.

I see now adalia has covered it pretty well too.

this is what I keep coming back to with agentcarr16, and a pretty solid reason for voting that way, but is it worth the risk if he is trying to cover for a stronger ability or even the 'claimed' ability? I'm not confident enough to take that risk.

where o where is RWarehall? OOoooo, fun! Say that a bunch! or once may be enough, whatever.

I think I'm getting space-madness. I wasn't at all adjusted to life on this station to begin with, and now, the drain is getting to me!

Q.U.A.D.!!!!! You twisted AI!! the experiment, it burns!

Wait. I thought you were ...not trying to shift focus from or to anyone. I'm simply trying to keep an open discussion about EVERYone going, rather than let others tunnel-vision focus on one person,

Instead you throw an unsubstantiated Vote.....


Scummy.

Because my vote closed the discussion? No. Still open to discussion. Who would YOU like to focus on?

No defense of yourself still? You're the scummy.

Posting more fluff and not really saying anything. Scummy.

agentcarr16:

Do you think it is possible that HijacK blocked you and is lying about doing so as to not reveal and to cause confusion?

Do you think you were role-blocked intentionally, or that perhaps your tracker function simply didn't work on who you tried it on?

HijacK:

I still can't make sense of your annoucement of your role, especially since you didn't use it, why did you announce it?

Are you implying that you don't know what you're going to claim, yet? ;)

That sort of role is usually called Vengeful. While technically possible for scum to have it, such is unlikely to be the case. For one thing, it requires the scum in question to get lynched first, and getting lynched is something scum usually try and avoid. The link will have more thoughts about it.

Trent strikes me as having been unusually quiet this game. Yog has also been quiet, though he's offered an explanation for that.

...Can I get a 3 shot vig? Because that DOES sound fun! Reading further, I see that Trent agrees with me. And Adalia. And Krypsyn.

And all of a sudden, it isn't quite as clear cut, is it? I'm also generally guessing that scum won't be killed for sabotage, but I'm not assuming. New questions: can neutrals be killed by failure (assuming there are any)? Can only "away team" members be killed, or could someone not on the mission be killed by a failure?

That would be more relevant with fewer "confirmed town", and might become an issue in later days if we continue to be slow on the lynch (assuming crises arise after RL days pass with no lynch), but iirc RW said something like he has 8 people as confirmed town. With that many, anyone with a low stat can indicate they aren't good choices, while those with a medium or high stat can either say they're up for it or wait for the low stat crowd to bow out while not actually volunteering.

As for the rest of your post: we'll have to wait for a failure before we can plan much further. There are just too many possibilities to be spending many cycles trying to map them without some sort of guide.
Assuming he's being truthful with his claims: The standard tracker doesn't have any sort of built-in failure mechanism. Perhaps there are some hijinks to Agent's role he isn't aware of, but that would be unusual. Instinct tells me such modifiers are unlikely to be the case in this game; YMMV.

Sigh. My turn to boop up with the edit via post merge.

After I posted the long one, I saw the new post (1812) by Drealmer and figured "I'll just start typing my reply while I wait for the timer. I usually take so long it won't matter." Except this time, my reply was short, and I reflexively hit "Post" after I finished proofing.

Now to wait 11 minutes so as not to compound my mistake. Tick tock, tick tock. GoG says it has been 11 minutes, so time to post.

I imagine, depending on the crisis, that anyone could be killed, part of the team or not.

In this crisis, I would imagine a few different people could die depending on what happens. It could be someone who failed to plan their route properly around the patrols and they get killed themselves, or maybe one of their team-members does (oh wait, I might be picked for that job, SHIIIT!) OR if the routes were planned okay, but the people disabling the devices don't get it done in time/fail and a patrolling guard makes it to the non-crisis group and kills one of them/us.

OHshit lookout for the edit elves!

Mr. Drealmer7, I think it is certainly possible that HijacK blocked me and is lying about it. I'm not sure, and that's not the primary reason that I think he's an intruder, but it's a factor in my opinion.
I KNOW[\b] that I was roleblocked.
Intentionally? I'm not sure about that, but I KNOW that I was roleblocked. I'm not allowed to directly quote my PMs, but it stated quite literally that I was roleblocked.