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Vitek: So you don't think they do when his claim surprised you?
That would mean there are 2 roleblockers in the game. While I do believe mafia can have roleblockers (in general), two roleblockers in a game do seem a bit unusual. A roleblocker and a redirect seems more likely to me, thus why I'm asking drealmer7 if he was blocked or not.

@agentcarr16: Care to share your roleblock's flavor, if any?
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JMich: That would mean there are 2 roleblockers in the game. While I do believe mafia can have roleblockers (in general), two roleblockers in a game do seem a bit unusual. A roleblocker and a redirect seems more likely to me, thus why I'm asking drealmer7 if he was
blocked or not.
Do you remember when I lynched you beacuse I ddin't believe there can be that many RB's and that jailer has to be on town side?
That was like 4 or 5 half-blockers.
I don't find 2 RBs that strange at all.
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yogsloth: Looking at this too.

What did HSL give? I have this post here, where he says his lynch can be "can be harmful or double harmful for town".

What else?
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trentonlf: That is the post I am referring too. My question to him: What do you mean by double harmful for town? Or you a lover or double voter?
His response: Are you sure you should be asking this? And are you sure I should answer it here?
The only thing I can say is - think

I am not sold on the coroner claim. It is almost a pointless role since we have flips and I don't see the hint Hyper gave with "double harmful" being a coroner either.
My speculation leads me to think he is a janitor; alignment unknown. Bad for Town: role can choose to scrub the reveal or not. Double Bad for Town: is killed and no reveals for town for the rest of the game.

I'm not a fan of the policy lynch, except PGO. However I will seriously consider this one to avoid the no lynch.

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RWarehall: Captain's Log................

A serious duty, ...............
He said dooty.
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Vitek: Do you remember when I lynched you beacuse I ddin't believe there can be that many RB's and that jailer has to be on town side?
That was like 4 or 5 half-blockers.
I don't find 2 RBs that strange at all.
Yes, it was one of the 3 asylum games. The one on the ship, run by Telika. I don't recall there being any other game with multiple role blockers, was there?
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drealmer7: ...................
Upon reading further (and waiting 10 minutes) I see my previous comment is redundant.

Awesome.....

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Vitek: 3x6=18
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drealmer7: 4x4=upside the heads
Har!!



Two roleblockers, roleblock/jailer, redirector, this is starting to sound fishy.

Sooo fishy...
Right. Sorry about that... game started up again just as I was going to bed and only got time to get one post in first.

As for comments on yesterday's events (as requested by drealmer I believe)... where would you like me to begin? You lot managed to drag Day 1 out to two weeks and 1200+ posts, that's a hell of a lot to cover. And in that time there were six wagons (maybe more?). Basic odds would suggest that at least one of those might have been on scum, but conversely (unless we've got a very high number of scum) at least one of them must be town, so how and why they were all derailed is hard to judge.
I have been following the game, but not quite as indepthly as if I had been playing so I will do some skim rereading to make sure I'm not missing anything.

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HypersomniacLive: I say yes, my lynch will do us a big disservice, and in more ways than one. A lynch can be harmful or double harmful for town; one does whatever they can to prevent the latter, but sometimes things may no longer be in one’s hands when it finally comes to that.
This is the Hyper quote about his lynch and (presumably) role. trent seems to be taking it that the 'double harmful' is a breadcrumb for something like double voter, but the way I read it was that he was claiming a useful power role (like cop) and that was why lynching him was double harmful to town. At the time I thought it quite scummy (I'm useful, don't kill me, but I won't tell you why I'm useful) but upon receiving my (his) role PM it made more sense. I can only assume that Hyper thought (as I did) that there would be no flips like in flub's game. When this appeared not to be the case (although other possibilities are now presenting themselves...) I thought claiming was the best bet as my role didn't appear quite so important and it might explain this comment by Hyper a little.

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JMich: Sad to see a droid go, but at least it wasn't a human. While a no night kill would be better, loss of a droid is acceptable.
This doesn't sit quite right with me... dedo flipped town. Town is town, human or droid. Or do you know better?

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Bookwyrm627: Did you question Quad about your role and any limitations it may have?
No. I was aware of the role from flub's game so didn't feel it was required... I'm somewhat regretting it now as there may be a lot more to it then I was expecting...

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yogsloth: ...Agent at least needs to report his action...
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agentcarr16: What would you do if I told you I was role-blocked last night?
I don't like this... while it is entirely possible scum role blocked agent as the one confirmed known town role on the board, it's also a pretty good claim for scum who have false claimed a role and don't have any results to show... and as JMich seems to be claiming town role blocker and not being responsible...
I've got my eye on you. Didn't like your claim day 1, the timing didn't feel right and I'm beginning to wonder if it was an early day 1 claim in attempt to throw off suspicion...
Which is probably a little rich, considering what I've just done... :/

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Bookwyrm627: Adalia, are you a meatbag, a droid, or something else?
Actually.. my pm doesn't specify. I'm assuming human (from the name) and there's certainly no mention of being a droid, but I wouldn't rule out being some kind of alien...

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drealmer7: First, an pre-emptive excuse for not really giving us much of an excuse in the rest of the entry.

Adalia, you address no points as far as I see, really, but you make a claim to distract us from not addressing any of the HSL points (possibly?) You can't explain HSL's behavior, but you "didn't find too much off...other than perhaps being a little snarkier than usual..."

NOTHING else about any of it? 20 pages of log entries? Really? Either your heart isn't in it or you are trying to play it safe by not causing too much ruckus because you are an intruder, feeling trapped.

This doesn't have me even close to jumping on your wagon though, as, I only had medium issue with HSL so far until you took over, and it is still not enough to condemn him/you, just enough to keep an eye on you. There are others I find more suspicious and likely, still.

What do you have to say for the rest of yesterday? Any comments on any of it? You don't have to act like you said what HSL said, you can have your complete own unique view of it all and share it, or some of it, with us. Please.
See above. The point I could address was Hyper's comment about getting lynched being double harmful, although I was rushed when writing my post and didn't get a chance to link my claim to that post as intended.

It's precisely because there are 70 (I have 20 posts a page) pages of posts that I haven't commented. There's not much point in rehashing the events of yesterday when you lot all lived through it... if there is anything that stands out from yesterday I will draw attention to it and comment on it.

And that's all for now folks!
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JMich: Sad to see a droid go, but at least it wasn't a human. While a no night kill would be better, loss of a droid is acceptable.
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adaliabooks: This doesn't sit quite right with me... dedo flipped town. Town is town, human or droid. Or do you know better?
Maybe I do, maybe I don't. Some of us do know what the case is.
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JMich: Yes, it was one of the 3 asylum games. The one on the ship, run by Telika. I don't recall there being any other game with multiple role blockers, was there?
G3 had 2 jailer, G8 had RB and Paranoid Doc which is essentially jailer, G13 had jailer and RB, G18 we talked about already. Then I got bored and stopped looking. :-)
But yeah, it is not usual but also not outlandish. From those I checked it's once per 5 games.
and all caught up :) Hi there adalia and bookwyrm, nice of you two to join in, maybe we'll do better in not not lynching somebody today because of it :D

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JMich: [snip]
Consider the situation we are on Day 1. A bunch of people (16 in this game) with no idea who to vote for, or why. We all go for the no lynch, night comes, then Day 2. We still have no idea who to vote for, and we are one townie down.
[snap]
and here we are I guess. Oh well, sorry for getting overly frustrated in the end of last day. It wasn't on you personally, but you were online and doing nothing to actually prevent a no-lynch. and others weren't even online at the time (carrioncrow comes to mind)

I still think you could have at least voted for someone else. if you don't see any scum in the three most viable wagons, that's ok you don't vote for them. It's all fine, but if you had at least voted for someone other then a newbie (when alot of players said they won't lynch newbies on day 1) maybe we could have all swayed over there and gotten us a lynch (and maybe even hit scum as it was a chance of 25% most likely) There were enough people on to make it happen, I think.

Oh well bygones, I guess. The night pause was good for me. But I just hope we do better today. (at least today everyone is open for getting lynched ;)

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about the coroner, janitor discussion I had to look those up in the wiki ... hmm, doesn't look like a good thing for town to not get info on a flip, but then again we can always expect night kills to be town, right? At least that much info would be kinda obvious. On second thought it could hit neutrals, too and we wouldn't know...
But it's all idle thought, since there actually was a flip. poor droid. About having not revealed a role ... is coroner a night or a day action? @adalia can you try it out on dedoporno?

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about the roleblock of agent ... seems pretty convinient indeed

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about rware being the captain ... oh, ok. that should be easy enough to confirm. please just remember to post your picks before they get revealed on post #2

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Krypsyn: I want a lynch ASAP. Like, in under 48 hours. Yeah, pie in the sky, I know, but it is what I want.
I don't think your wish will be granted what with there probably being a crisis coming up, but it would be interesting to see what will happen if we decide on a lynch before the crisis is announced... will the lynch be stalled till afterwards, or is that a way to circumvent a crisis?
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Vitek: G3 had 2 jailer, G8 had RB and Paranoid Doc which is essentially jailer, G13 had jailer and RB, G18 we talked about already. Then I got bored and stopped looking. :-)
But yeah, it is not usual but also not outlandish. From those I checked it's once per 5 games.
Going from current to earlier might have been better, since I think I started playing at G14 or so (might have been G12, not sure). Still, thank you for looking into it. While not totally impossible, I'd still keep it in the unlikely tab.
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mchack: But it's all idle thought, since there actually was a flip. poor droid. About having not revealed a role ... is coroner a night or a day action? @adalia can you try it out on dedoporno?
We did get a role reveal on dedo. Droid Maintenance Bot. It might not be a usual role, but it is one. No idea what abilities a Droid Maintenance Bot would have though.
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HijacK: Can anyone tell me what a Droid Maintenance Bot is?
My guesses: vanilla, some kind of advantage during certain crisis events, or maybe some kind of doctor. Not sure off-hand what other roles a droid dedicated to maintenance might fill. Maybe a jailer, where it locks the target into the maintenance bay?

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drealmer7: NOTHING else about any of it? 20 pages of log entries? Really? Either your heart isn't in it or you are trying to play it safe by not causing too much ruckus because you are an intruder, feeling trapped.
*snort* You were there the whole time, what do YOU make of HSL's play (besides having "medium issues")? I can't speak for adalia, but I was basically only reading on the surface since I didn't expect to actually be playing. You, on the other hand, should have been paying close attention.

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RWarehall: Vitek: 1 (Crewdroog/Bookwyrm)
I'd like to point out that this stuck vote is probably because the voter wasn't here to change it. Crewdroog's last post was 1064 on Oct 15, while the day closed at Quad's 1322 on Oct 20. Quad asked me during Night 1 if I was ready to step in as a replacement (without specifying who I'd be replacing), and he provided the PM after I agreed.

Oh, and it turns out Crew was indeed town.

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CarrionCrow: I think there's a good chance they're both scum,
I'll bet my life they aren't both scum. ;)
I'm not entirely convinced either one is scum.

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JMich: I shudder to think what kind of crisis would require my specialization.
Are you the Station Trollcrap cleaner, by any chance?

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mchack: we can always expect night kills to be town, right? At least that much info would be kinda obvious. On second thought it could hit neutrals, too and we wouldn't know...
Sure, unless there are two (or more) mafia teams, or neutrals (as you pointed out). Assumptions are dangerous things, especially if you don't know you're making them.

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JMich: We did get a role reveal on dedo. Droid Maintenance Bot. It might not be a usual role, but it is one. No idea what abilities a Droid Maintenance Bot would have though.
Is that a role reveal, or a title reveal? For example, mchack has claimed generator technician; what does that do? (the second is a rhetorical question for now)
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JMich: I shudder to think what kind of crisis would require my specialization.
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Bookwyrm627: Are you the Station Trollcrap cleaner, by any chance?
This ain't Spelljammer. No trolls in this space.

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JMich: We did get a role reveal on dedo. Droid Maintenance Bot. It might not be a usual role, but it is one. No idea what abilities a Droid Maintenance Bot would have though.
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Bookwyrm627: Is that a role reveal, or a title reveal? For example, mchack has claimed generator technician; what does that do? (the second is a rhetorical question for now)
It is a role reveal. The role is called "Droid Maintenance Bot". What are the abilities of said role is still unknown.
Consider the existence of a role called "Security Officer", with the abilities of "Each night you can investigate someone and learn their alignment" and "If anyone attempts to engage you in hand to hand combat, your superior skills mean you survive". That role has the ability of a cop role, but is not called Cop. The flip would still give us "Security Officer", and it's up to us to guess what that meant.
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JMich: The flip would still give us "Security Officer", and it's up to us to guess what that meant.
Fair enough.

Since you seem to have give us your ability (role blocker), are you willing to give us your title as well?
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Bookwyrm627: Since you seem to have give us your ability (role blocker), are you willing to give us your title as well?
I've given an ability, and I'm not willing to give my title atm.