I actually hoped for a better defense. I'm starting to feel a bit better about voting earlier.

If this is really the case I'll be even more inclined to go that way.

Heh.

So no one sees how scummy trentonlf is but me??

I know right, can you believe that guy!

I understand you wanting to get a replacement, and don't hold that against you at all.

However, I think a replacement would have a huge advantage over the rest of us, especially if HSL's character is an intruder. We have no history of their behaviors, absolutely nothing to go on, they get a complete blank slate, and, how could that not be a huge advantage to them/disadvantage to everyone else?

Also, at this point, why isn't HSL just saying "just vote me lynched so I can go" ? Is it for the integrity of the game somehow or, are they an intruder and know if they did that the rest of the intruders would feel hugely disadvantaged and vulnerable and like giving up, essentially?

I hate voting in a way that is not "internal" to the game, but, I feel like if HSL is going to be replaced, I'd be much more comfortable voting to lynch HSL D1 before it happens and keeping the known group that we have here without an outside element to confuse it all. If this somehow seems "scummy" I certainly don't mean it to be, I'm just trying to navigate the new wrinkle (even before the wrinkle fully forms, to be prepared for it.)

I'd like to hear the perspective of experienced players who have dealth with replacements before.

Because this is a potential balance killer. If he's scum their team is crippled because of something they have next to no control over. It's not a slip on their end or a masterful play on ours. If he is Town and an important power role the consequences are similar. What if he's our Cop or Doctor?

The replacement is almost always the correct approach rather than just lynching the person. In this particular situation though I'm more inclined to proceed with the lynch, since I have my suspicions of HSL and they are based on his feelings about his behavior. This will change with the new player and with the deadline just around the corner we won't be able continue from where we left off. It will be a massive WIFOM source which I don't like at all. Also, it's not cool to get killed 5 minutes after you replaced someone so we might just get it over with.

vote HypersomniacLive

I see where this is going. I for one haven't cared for Hyper's behavior much because I have noticed changes beginning last game when he was town, yet I had him a potential scum on my lists. I thought it might be something similar, but this Day 1 has been dragging for effing ever.

unvote crewdroog

Can I hammer? I want to hammer. I like to hammer.

Votecount, please!

Yep, that's how I am seeing/thinking about it as well. I did have the thought about the crew power-role as well, don't know why I didn't put that there too. The point being that if he was a simple vanilla town he probably would have offered himself up as opposed to ask for a replacement, and of course he wouldn't be offering himself up if he is an intruder, so, likelihoods to me are either intruder or power-role crew.

Are you a power role, HSL? If we lynch you given all of these angles are we doing ourselves a disservice?

This problem is somewhat mitigated by the fact that in a day, those same people who have never gone on record with their thoughts or votes, are going to get a chance to do exactly this anyway.

"It's the deadline, we have to lynch someone..."

We should already have a careful eye on those people.

I'm not sure what you expected me to do. I asked them to present whatever it is that allegedly supports their claims so I can address them.

One goes "emm, yes, I said I've noticed inconsistencies, but you see, there aren't really any, and since there aren't, I'm going now with it's my gut feeling; this way I can stick with my vote, and no-one can say anything, because how can one argue against a gut feeling, right?".

The other one goes "eh, yes, there have been numerous mis+add_whatever_you_fancy, but I'll just say that I refuse to provide them, and stick to it, I will however reiterate that they do exist, this should make everyone think that I have something when I don't, and to make sure it works, I'll do my usual "Heh" at the end; that should leave no doubt that I have a legit reason to stick with my baseless vote".

If they really had based their votes on something, wouldn't they be able to present it when making their claims? Or at least when asked to? So, I'll say it again - to me this means that none actually have anything, and it's a lot of finger-pointing they're trying to make stick.

It seems to work well, I need to remember to adopt it in the next game I'll partake, along with power-lurking.

So, what would you have me do? Perform a mind-melt, then go back over my posts and make their case for them? Oh I know, perhaps I should ask each and all of you out on a date so that you can get to know me better, then you'll see that you're wrong about me.

But since you seem to think that there's a better defence - tell me, how would you address the situation as it is?


I'm sorry, I somehow must have missed this - when did you vote for me earlier? I only see you vote in post #1161.


I've asked the mod to see who's available to take over, I didn't ask him for an immediate replacement. Would you have preferred I didn't let all of you know, and just throw it on you at the very last moment? Looks like it would have been better for me. Too bad I thought it was the decent thing to do, but apparently no-one appreciates it.


And from the look of things, I'm actually doing myself and town a big disservice by trying to address you, laying low seems to work so much better. Ixamyakxim especially seems quite the veteran on the matter, then again why shouldn’t he go for it a second time, it paid off very nicely the first time, didn’t it?



I say yes, my lynch will do us a big disservice, and in more ways than one. A lynch can be harmful or double harmful for town; one does whatever they can to prevent the latter, but sometimes things may no longer be in one’s hands when it finally comes to that.



Perhaps if you bothered to show your pretty butt here more often, others might be more inclined to listen to what you have to say? Just a thought.

I believe this is obvious. I can't tell for Krypsyn but Trent said that his vote is mostly (just like mine) based on gut feeling and your game feeling a bit off. This reasoning isn't strong enough to hold water under normal circumstances and I expected your defense to be a lot better, yet it wasn't.


See? That's better!


I didn't. If you go back just a couple of posts back and read carefully you'll see that I didn't want to vote for you over just gut feelings and wouldn't do so until the deadline. Then you said you've asked for a replacement.


As far as I'm concerned you and Ix are right next to each other. If you weren't getting a replacement and there were others who would join me I think I'd go for him first. But in this situation I believe this is the better approach. Considering the possibility of not having too much to go over and knowing your flip, Ix will still be there in the morning.


True dat.

Fine, I guess we finish the broken game...I'll retract my request to be lynched...

If I were to guess the likely 4 scum:
Crewdogg
Flub
HijacK
Yogsloth

Next tier:
Ixam
CarrionCrow

I bet at least 3 scum in these 6.

After reviewing all his posts, I don't see anything all that bad about HSL, don't see anything necessarily townly either, but my gut says he's town. He probably fits my #7 position. As such, I'm on the fence whether to vote for him...

I find this list likely to have more than scum, yes. I'm pretty sure there is at least 1 there. I don't know about all 4 though.

Hi all - just back from being part of the crew on my wife's 100 mile ultra-marathon. She finished at 29:23. I'm a bit wiped out myself, and I barely worked compared to that.

I see a huge gap in posting - about 15 hours there? Teh awesome.

To me, little has changed, and it's gonna come down to the wire as always. I just don't like the wagon on HSL. He's been much snarkier than usual, and got a dig at me I didn't like, but I'm sure I'm playing "off" this game too, and so I'm not ready to lynch on somebody else's gut feeling about that. The kind of "against the meta" I'm looking for is more a change in traditional positions of style of logic, a la JMich in game 27.

When the deadline looms, I'll look at whatever has to happen, but this is just not a wagon I want. It's also spoiled with "he wants to be replaced, so I might as well kill him" votes. Plus HijacK threatening to hammer for no reason at all - this wagon stinks. Plus I might be a little biased as a replacement would put adalia or wyrm back in the game, lol!

OK, I'm beat, off to the showers myself and have to help the wife with her litany of injuries.