Just no to the code and scum buddies

I found drealmer7's scream of frustration amusing because I've been there so many times, it's easy to second guess yourself or overthink a problem so much that it makes you scream LOL

Which is why I'm having such a hard time deciding on a vote. I am just like "ok, I should go with the first strong feeling I had." But, then, I almost voted for Ix a few times before the first pool on him started, but Vitek was my first vote and still a strong contender for me, soooo, which to choose? I'm going to go ahead and stick with my first vote and

Vote Vitek

He seems to be playing it a little too cool for the suspicions that have been around him, on top of other various reasons that have mostly been stated to this point, and a few questionable entries that I'm not sure have been brought to attention, and then there's the series of entries from 163-175: all of that still seems verrrry suspect upon reading, first when I did, and even more-so now I think.

Please tell me how krypsyn's "basically confirmed town"?

Speculation rhymes with _______ .

Because the way mchack issue went.
He came with the Station thing.
We know know that not having station doesn't equal mafia, but it is safe to assume Krypsyn has station in his title and I am still willing that while town does't have to have station in name those who have it are town.
I have little doubt Krypsyn does have it as he would have too little to comew with it otherwise so I am convinced he is town.
I don't believe mafia would be able to do it that way anyway and as I had no issue with him before too, i take him as confirmed.
Trenton mostly too for being first to join but not with such certainity. Dedo only gained some + town points but he could only be mafia figuring it out and joining (but I don't think so right now).
So yeah, it gave me 3 towns (mchack (95% confirmed), krypsyn (90% confirmed) and trenton (80%) ) and 1 quite possible (dedo).

Oh no, I am doomed!
Better?
There were no real accusation so there is nothing to not be cool about. ;-)

mchack or agentcarr?

Mchack.
I believe he is mod confirmed.
Although I believe agentcarr's claim I don't take him for confirmed. So I probably should have put him into category with dedo.

For me that's pretty much refuted. I read and understand this as "Station" having no meaning as to alignment at all. So I won't believe anyone as confirmed townie just because of it.

Well, you are missing some. Ok, you want to know what my plan was...
I wanted you all to bring me to L-1, so I could vote myself and even up the game a bit.

Quite frankly, I can't play this game any more, for exactly the reasons mentioned here...
Because Vitek, even with his list missed others who are basically confirmed.

Do you see how many names are on that list? And when I add the ones he missed, then add the couple people who I think are town, I've already pretty much got the scum team pinned down...on day 1...all because of PM madness...

There is no way scum can win, because there is no way they can eliminate the confirmed town before they themselves are eliminated.

Part I


I'd appreciate it if you'd point out what I got wrong, and what misrepresentation I did. I don't follow, and think it's only fair to be given the chance to address them.



Same request from you.



For someone accusing me of paying little attention to the game, after saying that you went back and reread my posts, you're doing a rather poor job yourself, especially since you don't seem to have other issues distracting you from it.

As for correcting myself – on what do you think I need to correct myself? I hope that you don’t mean that if I have a different take on something than you, I need to correct myself and side with you.


I saw his reply to you just fine, but apparently it is you who missed my follow up question to him on the matter – would you like to go back and do another re-read, or should I just point you to my post, just to make sure you won't miss it? Here, let me help you out – post #469.

As for badgering drealmer7 – I asked him two questions, early in the game, that was back in post #253.
I did not get an answer, and I don’t believe it’s because he actually didn’t (still doesn’t?) understand them, to me it sounded like a lot of “don’t understand/don’t compute” RPing. If you’re seriously claiming that they’re so incomprehensible, even after going back and rereading my posts, then I’m sorry, but it sounds that you’re trying a little too hard to come up with arguments against me.

As for questioning him about the communicators - it’s exactly because of his RPing that I asked him, to make sure it’s just RPing lingo and not something else.


First off, did I partake in the game after my post #1070, going on about other things while leaving your post unanswered? I believe I have not, so saying that I ignored you is a false statement that seems to serve no other purpose than to predispose others negatively against me because you don’t really have anything.

Having the term “Station” in my PM was not reason enough for me to dismiss the OP Role Example as not being a sample of a Town PM, and go all “ooh, here scum, we got you now, yeah!”. The win-condition doesn’t fit, it would have been simply too easy, and we don’t know how the Mafia PM is worded and formatted (RWarehall also said so).

I had no intention of making anyone seem “dim-witted” (if you felt like that, it’s entirely on you), I simply was surprised to see how quickly you (general, plural) decided that the OP Role Example was evidence of a player’s guilt. I assume that none of you wondered why your PMs are different from the OP, or if you did you were only too happy to explain it as the mod screwing over scum from the get-go, giving away their PM, even if not everything in the OP Role Example added up. Well, forgive me for wondering when I first read the OP and my PM, and for trying to find a reasonable explanation without jumping to premature and convenient conclusions.

As for the mod’s assertion and his post #1039 – what issue exactly is that? It reads to me that the issue is that those with the term “Station” in their PM were quick to overlook/dismiss the OP Role Example at best, and use it as evidence for a player’s guilt at worst, plus some not getting the difference, which apparently made them also suspect.
As I said already, if there’s an oversight/mistake by the mod somewhere in all this, then I’d appreciate it if he came out and clarified.

I don’t know if mchack, drealmer7 or CarrionCrow are scum or not, they may well be, but if the only thing that made them look scummy was a suspicion or indication that their PMs are worded and formatted like the OP Role Example regarding their name and rank, I’m sorry, but that, by and of itself, is not reason enough for me.

You are free to disagree with me, though I’m not sure what exactly the problem with my position is.


On a side note, and completely unrelated to the game at hand - @agentcarr16, I don't fault you for thinking that family emergencies (mine is health-related, and I'm not talking about a cold) are not good enough reasons to not be that involved in a forum game; IIRC, you're still in school, so you have probably not assumed any serious responsibilities yet, hence can't relate. Some of us are much older than you, thus are in a very different situation. Some use the mafia game as a distraction/relief from issues they're facing in the physical world, some can't and it affects their play; I belong to the latter group.

Having said that, depending on how things go over the next few days, I may have to ask for a replacement; not being able to keep up as things happen and trying to catch up on everything is becoming more and more difficult for me, and is affecting the game for everyone. If anyone thinks I should do so now, let me know, and I will.

Whut?
Well I don't believe it. But ok let's hear your "pinned down scum team" and vote for them to get this game over with. Then maybe viteks "prophecy" will turn out right after all.
But when the first townie flips or the first scum flips with station in front of their rank, we are bound to reevaluate these assumptions. Hard! And get to play the game for real again...

You aren't somehow negatively affecting the game for me by not being on this thread every waking moment.

You have far more important things to deal with. That's life. A forum game means very little next to that.
So long as you're posting once every 36 hours, you're following the rule set by the mod. Anyone who has a problem with that is shit out of luck, since it's not their game to run.

I agree with you CarrionCrow. Lurking/absence isn't always the problem people make it out to be. The only caveat is people need to find a way to make themselves available for the deadline. As long as you can do that, its fine by me. Last game, BlueMooner disappeared for days and also wasn't present for the deadline. That was a problem.

Part II


I had actually forgotten about drealmer7's edit, until penalties started flying around for other players, so I remembered it and wondered about him getting away with it, I did not insinuate anything, nor tried to cast suspicion on him.

But call a player "smart", and everything they do/say/ask has an ulterior motive, right? If that's the case, why should we take your claims and statements as innocent ones and at face value, but you can question everyone else's?

You want to hear something else? Do you know why I commented the way I did on the penalties the Krypsyn and HijacK got? I initially thought that that "has" QuadrAlien used meant that the value of their respective STAT was decreased to "-1".



Was it or wasn't it me that Ixamyakxim thought was trying to cast suspicion on you? I've gone through my and Ixamyakxim's posts, and I don't see anything.
What I do see is quite some finger-pointing, but I have to wonder if that's based on my actual participation or on "I think he did say/do this or that".


This sounds like you think/believe that the Mafia PM does not include the term "Station". May I ask why that is?


Mod-confirmed as town? What in QuadrAlien's posts make you think so?



Cheers, but it's not my game either, and it's supposed to be fun for everyone partaking, so asking for understanding can only go so far. Seriously, if anyone thinks it's better to ask for replacement now, I will, no hard feelings.