I didn't refresh and missed this. In a 16 player game, 4 scum would be the number of scum assuming a basic game. The rule of thumb is that the square root of players should be on the scum team; in this case 4. Many factors can change this (such as neutral roles and handicapped town roles), which is why the figure might be lower. Three to four scum is actually a reasonable estimate for a 16 player game.

Assuming there is only one scum team, of course. That is the only point which would raise my eyebrows at all. But, it doesn't raise them that much, or for that long, because having a single scum team is the default. However, it is an interesting assumption nonetheless.

EBWOP

Oh for...

I gotta stop posting after drinking bourbon.

I see what your point is now... he said '14' instead of '16' players for the game.

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Okay ... worth noting, but not that big a deal.

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As for the rest of it, even if he assumed the player count to be 14 (for whatever reason), 3-4 scum is still a good estimate assuming only one scum-team. (I would assume 5 scum if there are multiple scum-teams and 16 people).

Let's take a look at your stance on the matter: But you don't like what I said... That's some odd idea of "sharing thoughts", and goes way beyond arguing for the sake of arguing.

Not paying much attention, or worse, trying to draw/ shift attention to selected players using his usual confrontational play to disguise it?


/*dissecting* (to death) incoming in three, two, one...



Except that what HijacK finds fascinating is that mchack said 14 players instead of 16.

Yep. I did notice that... after I posted.

Lol, the confusion of busy chat threads.

Yep. I'm not to argue for the lynch of lurkers at any cost, but I won't just sit around when people try to paint them as any kind of lower priority to a lynch. Regarding my response to yog, the argument was constructed around the fact he wants to lynch lurkers solely on the fact that they are lurkers, without looking at contributions too or at the possibility of a power role. Of course, he will argue that lurkers don't contribute much, so the only way to show any fault in the argument is to outline the possibility of a role, but that still doesn't make them unlynchable. In the end I would have to agree with Lift that when there are no better targets, there are the lurkers, but that is debatable on what other people see as a better target.

That was not my idea of sharing thoughts, or at least as far as you are concerned. You're definitely one worth a re-read.

Yes I do. It was a mistake. The sentence doesn't make sense the way I wrote it, it should have said 16.
To explain why I think I made this mistake (post was written in a hurry at work): I guess it's because I've always thought about 14 players I had to choose from for my vote, since I excluded myself and yogsloth for whom I don't want to vote today. That's were the 14 come from, I guess.

Sunday night vote count:

3 HijacK (BlueMooner, Yogsloth, McHack)
3 Yogsloth (Trentonlf, Flubbucket, Lifthrasil)
2 Adaliabooks (JMich, Krypsyn)
1 No-Lynch (AgentCarr16)
1 CSPVG (Cristigale)
1 BlueMooner (HijacK)
1 AgentCarr16 (Adaliabooks)

With 16 players alive it takes 9 votes to kick someone off the island and 8 votes to "no-lynch".
HijacK and Yogsloth are closest to leaving at L-6.

Not voting: HypersomniacLive, Dedoporno, Sage103082 and CSPVG

Deadline is in 1 day on Monday night Sept 14th at Midnight EDT (UTC -4 which is Tuesday 4 am UTC)
[Extended due to Holidays, Vacations, 16 players and its the first day]

Bagatha Chrustie reporting this evening...
A fair bit of discussion tonight...
The suspense is building...
Will they kickout HijacK...or Yogsloth...or a lurker...or a grue?
Find out tomorrow for the final house vote...
You better not miss it, I know I won't!

In what friggen time zone is it Sunday noon right now?

I think you are mistaken, post looks right to me! That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

Just be glad you are off the top of the list.
Thanks to Krypsyn's vote for HijacK, he temporarily had 4 votes and won top billing (just like the sign-up thread).
Even with the vote removed, no point to switch it.

Well, this is disappointing. notsureifserious.jpg

What, after I suddenly blurt out “SIKE IM SCUM THE HOLE TIME LOL!!!!” Somehow, I don’t think things are going to be terribly different just because another day passes.

Agent, in his 2nd game, is “seasoned”? I think I’ve moved on from giving players grief about no-lynching. It seems like a lost cause. Let it be, let it be.

Somebody really needs to come back to this in future days. You just ripped through most of the roster with Scum tells and bad vibes, but then landed back on me because you remain convinced that the only conceivable… the only conceivable reason for me to kick discussion off the way I did was that I’m Scum. And not any of the other players you mentioned as actively seeming scummy. OK Lift, sure there, pal.

Note that you didn’t mention which way you’d bet, though, eh? :)

What was the other time? Still on about game #24? Is that your only example?

That’s right, ladies and gentlemen, you have to go back six games to find the last time I got something wrong. There it was. Can’t hide that one. It turns out HijacK was Town after all that game.

But thanks for slipping in there your kind offer to hammer, to ease the burden of everyone else being forced to make so momentous a decision. You’re just thinking of the children, I’m sure.

Oh look, Krypsyn’s back. I’m sure this is a savvy veteran play, right? Impeccably Townish behavior, right? Yep yep yep.

In your brain, does this sentence somehow not come out as a contradiction in terms? Did it make sense at the time?

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Listen folks – I don’t have a whole ton more to add. I won’t be online probably as much as I would like tomorrow as I’m preparing for a business trip (will be in Houston wed, thurs, fri), but I’ll be around as much as I can. I still simply have to believe there aren’t enough Townies out there willing to kill me out of lack of creativity to actually eat the lynch, but I know it’s going to be awful damn close.

I’m just not going to tell you in Day 1 what this was all about. I’m just not. I’m not lying, but I’m not putting all the pieces in front of you up front either. If you’re Town, you really have to ask: Does “I don’t quite get what he’s doing” exactly equate to “Scum, vote him, don’t think about it any more”?

In terms of knowing how the GOG Mafia community feels about votes for No Lynch in general? Yes he is.

My question for HijacK was attempting to elicit a certain response. I didn't get it.

Voting for HijacK elicited the response I was after. Was it savvy? No idea. I try not too get too involved in my own life.

I'm not going to rehash all my issues again with you over whatever it is you're doing, I simply don't see it as a town play and it will have to be something over the top to make me believe it was a town play if you end up being town. But you are now saying "hey don't lynch me because you should have some doubt about me being scum because you don't understand what I'm doing", that's such a strong endorsement that I should unvote you now and bow down to your genius.

You keep yammering on about how everyone wants to just give someone who is lurking a walk if people don't find them to be scummy and it's bad for town, yet you are asking at the same time for people to ignore someone who is behaving in what many see as a scummy manner because not everyone quite gets what you're doing. So according to your logic don't vote for scummy actions but go ahead and vote for someone not posting enough on day 1.

Whatever it is you're doing you have intrigued enough people that I don't think you'll be lynched, and it is probably going to end the day in a no lynch. You can thank yourself for it by trying this lone wolf play. If you are town terrible play IMO, If you are scum nicely done.

It was a not-so-subtle prod for her to get a little more involved, but, yes, it was also meant to be a tad amusing.

The rule is for all Mafia games on GOG. Read this post paying particular attention to the "Game rules" section. Most forums with Mafia games has a similar rule against betting.

I'll answer anyway. I think a 'slip' like that, in the absence of any other data, is a silly reason to suspect someone of anything. All else equal, it is a slip that can be made just as easily by any alignment, not just scum. It should be remembered, because it might mean something later on when there is more information. However, taken alone, it means very little to me.