Correction to above post:

" I did not mention everybody else was named."

Mention should be realize. All this mentioning got that word encrypted in my head while I was typing the message.
Time to go to bed. Way too late for mafia games.

First, despite my somewhat girly username, I'm actually a guy, just so you know :)

Second, my take on why No Lynch is bad is slightly different than everyone elses (see day 1 last game) but basically it boils down to the fact that if we don't lynch anyone then day 2 we're basically in the same position minus one townie (NK). Whereas if we lynch someone there is that small chance we will hit scum plus we get a wagon to analyse and there is a smaller pool to choose from tomorrow so a better chance of hitting scum.
Although, as no one will bother with wagon analysis anyway and we do have a 'claimed' town cop we could always decide to sit it out and nothing and wait for his reads... but that's really putting all our faith in yogs and his ability to actually hit scum and I certainly don't think that's a basket we should put all our eggs in...

That is a good summary and describes my thoughts on the matter quite well, thanks cristi!



Is it better to be hostile to everyone?

That felt a bit OMGUS-y. Maybe a bit more more than a bit...

*growing embarrassed again and carrying on reading the wiki*

Regarding the wiki, I'm really amazed at how endless the possibilities are (The Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Laser Beams Out Of Its Ass?! :). If I should come across things/roles that might be an explanation for yogs bold claim, do we have an agreement about whether or not to talk about that, yet? It seems most are against discussing these possibilities, because it might help scum (who are probably wondering as much as we do (unless yogs is scum of course))

Fair enough :) After the game then maybe... I'd really like to know what you meant by that joker thing.

I do understand and feel for that argument and I will vote when I feel someone is scummie, but as of now, noone feels that way for me. So I will probably go with yogs Advice about killing the useless (and hope that I will not be stamped useless myself..), but for now the day seems bright enough (around noon isn't it?) to not throw a vote yet...

It's just as bad. After all the scum points/town points talk of last game I developed a belief that neither are right, and both lead to the same effect, though through different means.

I'll politely challenge this notion. I'll give you the credit for exploring such possibility, but view it from my perspective. I don't think agent deserves a vote anymore. I based that vote entirely on an out of place comment and overreaction to a statement.

Now BlueMooner over reacts to a statement, but on top of that suggests no-lynch, fishes for information (in quite the worst way possible too), and after I clearly stated I did not realize everyone except me was mentioned tries to accuse me either of foul play or skimming.

Since I know my alignment is town, there was little concern for me when I noticed yog had no read on me. Having not realized everybody else was mentioned I reasoned there was no need to react. In previous games some people left out those whom they had no read on, or simply forgot to cover. After discovering I was the only one left out there were a few possibilities of yog indicating something that came mind, but none of them really realistic given the slow pace of day 1.

So, since I deem agent not worthy of a vote anymore, what should I do? I am not a fan of the quick voting that usually happens at the end of a day, but I am not advocating for everyone to place a vote right now either. The ecosystem of voting should be balanced in order to gain better information on the next day. Who hammered? When did they hammer? Why did they hammer? Why didn't player x move his vote for 5 days? Why did player y vote in the last 2 hours? How come players z and q are always in the middle of the wagon? etc.

Thus, since not everyone is feeling the urge to place a vote, I reason I should be one to do so. By doing this I am attempting to integrate a few mathematical and biological concepts into the playstyle to better understand some patterns of the game, but so far this is only theoretical.

Note for future class days: Don't drink oolong tea. That stuff has enough caffeine to cause sever insomnia. And today I have a quiz...

I would like to sigh dramatically and act a little offended that anyone would suggest that I've been lurking, but I can't really do that. I have RL reasons as to why I haven't posted since Monday is the only excuse I can offer. It does, however, go a little deeper than that.

I think we've had this sort of discussion before, but I shall restate my position: I post only when I feel that I have something new or interesting to contribute (well, interesting to me, at least). This isn't meant as a critique of anyone's game, but I feel as if many of you simply rehash points other posters have made whilst nodding, hoping that everyone will nod along with you. Many times, of course, people do have an actual consensus on an issue, and so have no more to add; I do not, however, think that these sort of, "Yeah, X summed up my point nicely," posts are always the best way to go about the game (even though it is a game were consensus on certain 'issues' is important).

On the other hand, I should try to be more active. I'll attempt to do so.

Yogsloth: Yes, I haven't contributed a huge deal yet. I do not, however, think that you have, either. Apart from your initial claim and some other banter, what would you say you have contributed, oh magnificent nasal asphyxiation via jelly bean fetishist?

Lastly, and this is going to seem like total OMGUS, but Unvote: HijacK and Vote: adaliabooks. Really, it seemed like a good idea to you to, at this stage in the day, vote for me because a RNG said so? That is quite scummy, sir.

Well, yeah, I hear where you're coming from but consider the fact that this is BlueMooner's first game after all. He stated that he already does this outside the game, it's not that weird he does it here as well. He will eventually learn about buddying and stuff but I feel you overreacted a bit there :) Same goes for the no-lynch. By all means, scold him about it and explain why it usually isn't a good idea but go all out on him again seems a bit like assaulting an easy prey.

I don't say new players have to get a free pass on every little thing they do but so far BlueMooner didn't say anything I wouldn't expect from a new player and I do see your response as a bit of an overreaction. Not sure if there is something behind it or not, you may end up being right in the end, but I still feel you're getting at him stronger than necessary right now, both in the context of him being new and the actual stuff he said and did.

As adaliaboks pointed out when a lynch occurs the next day a wagon analysis should happen to see who voted at what point, who didn't vote, what reasons people had for voting or not voting, who jumped on and off the wagon, who pushed the hardest for the lynch, what position people got on and off the wagon, etc.. All this information together with any night actions that town is able to perform helps in getting a bigger picture in who is behaving in an odd or scummy manner. If no lynch happens no wagon analysis can happen and all town can rely on is any night actions that happened or on scum slipping up.

As for a no lynch, IMO the only time it's a viable option is if there are no flips when someone is lynched. By no flip I mean their alignment and role is not revealed. If there is no flip then lynching someone is a shot in the dark unless town has had a chance to investigate/observe the person in some form.

Also, there is no absolute guarantee scum kill Town at night. They could be stopped by a doctor role, they could choose to not kill anyone, or they could hit a neutral.

To me the greatest weapon town has is the vote. It puts pressure on people so reactions can be gauged, it shows who people really think is behaving in a scummy manner or think is scum (that's why people are upset with adaliaboks for just voting random), and gives town a sense of uniformity in their decisions. Voting is underused IMO.

Posting on my phone and somehow my post before this one shows to be for HypersomniacLive, but it was for you. Not sure how that happened as I clicked on the reply button on your post :-/


Whoever designed GOGs website to work with mobile devices needs to fix it so it works properly :-(

Here, I fixed that for you.

While I will agree with you not everybody can share everything yadda yadda.....my initial reaction to Bluemooner's posts has been little more than he's trying to find something to talk about on Day One.

You know this is challenging for any player.

You also know it's highly unlikely we'll get a lynch on Day One of a brand new player.

emphasis added

Was that meant as Tuesday, Sep 8, 2015, or D1?


Not sure I can, I'm The Reluctant Voter, remember?



Cheers



Still don't get it. How is placing a random vote better than placing it on someone that you're concerned about, even if only slightly? And if you really had to use RNG, why put everyone in instead of only those that you're concerned about more than others, even if only slightly? Your reply sounds like not everyone causes you the same level of concern.



Re-read agentcarr16's post you replied to, re-read your reply, and then re-read my post, keeping in mind what you had posted up to the time you voted him.


Is this a serious question? Since when does a standard Role Cop, town or scum, get results on alignment?



I can't, I'm too busy hacking into and going through your emails and private stuff.

On a more serious note, perhaps I'm following your lead?

On a more more serious note, it is up to you how you read my posts, but if you think that all of my comments and posts have been useless, perhaps you should follow yogsloth's lead and vote me? OR, you could increase your "Reading Skills" points, then take a look inwards?


@CSPVG - if you had placed a vote early on, yogsloth would have left you alone.

I'm a bit amazed that no one has called me out on lurking yet (or I have missed it). RL is a lot of work and a lot of pressure at the moment and I hardly have the time to really follow the thread - and also not the energy I used to have to think things through. I hope things settle down next week and that I can be more useful on Day 2 (if I survive the night), but at the moment I am of not much use.

Not only did I say "you", I italicized it.

Is that a thing? Can we do that? I want to do that!

Horrible.

As we’ve hit on in previous games, wagon analysis seems to be a dying art. I would suggest we do our best in this game. I believe it will be crucial – perhaps not on Day 2, but in further Days when there are multiple wagons to analyze side-by-side. I’m not very good at it myself, but I’ll do my best if I’m around, and I hope we can all at least give it a try.

You mean, other than that thing that launched us up and over RVS from the get-go and got everyone talking and reacting? The thing that got (almost) every player in the game talking and working and providing information and opinions? You mean other than that thing?

Gee, I’ll just have to try harder, I guess.


Day 1 of course.

In. Deed.

…..

Actually, I think I’m about done here. Not quitting or anything silly like that – I just think my (brilliant play / narcissistic gimmick) has played out about as much as one could hope. My vote is comfortably placed. The audience is bored, but barring somebody else taking a turn doing something, I think we just sit here staring balefully at the clock until the “I refuse to vote or play until the deadline slams down on my head” crowd decides to turn up.