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Posted October 01, 2015
Another thing that didn't come up yet, but how the game shifted just from the surprise CSPVG kill day 1. Frankly, if town ever gets lucky like that, it does a lot to confirm the early people on the wagon. Even without the other mechanics of the game, scum are always going to be a little behind the 8-ball if one of their number gets lynched early. The early non-RVS votes on the wagon are almost certainly not scum, and if they join the wagon late or stay off it, the other scum are usually going to be in the suspect list going forward.

Basically the two worst things for scum, town getting mostly confirmed and they themselves looking suspect...

I think you only time I've seen scum not get hurt by an early lynch is when one of their number really screws up and they know they have to bus them early.
Posted October 01, 2015
@RW, something just occurred to me. Did books gain the claimed role or the actual role? Because I never went past my Doctor and Cop abilities in terms of claiming :)
Posted October 01, 2015
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trentonlf: I had contemplated coming clean earlier on Day 3, I had the feeling my time was short. When JMich changed his vote to me and the momentum shifted my way I started my post, but got it in too late. Looking back I should have let flub get lynched and kept on stealing at night, but once I tried to look town by saving him I put myself in a position to be a threat to scum and look off to town. Hindsight is 20/20 they say ;)
You should have been a bit faster, I had written my post before JMich voted you, refreshed before posting, saw his vote, and just edited my reply to him before hitting "submit quick post".

Your role was hard to play, especially after CSPVG got lynched D1. I think the missing money would have gotten people looking around with a suspicious eye before you managed to fulfill your win-condition. I was given the option to take people's money, and RWarehall's reply to if that would give me/town some benefit was too vague to act on it - that is if mchack would ever lift my restriction, which I had written off by the end of D2, hahaha.
Another thing that didn't work in your favour is that the narrator was also stealing people's buy-in, and I don't think that anyone suspected that. I certainly didn't, and was very surprised by Bagatha Chrustie's multilayered role in the game.

Speaking of third-parties - cristigale's role was probably the hardest to play, more so because she'd have a hard time convincing others that she's for "No-Lynch", something she's never been for before, and especially after voting with relative ease on the first three Days. But she's a good and smart player, a pity she didn't get a chance to try, would have been interesting to see what she could have pulled off.

And Sage103082 was laying low a bit too much for her own good.


So, what happened with adaliabooks at the end of D3? I'm not clear if a player took him out or if it was simply a way to end the game since BlueMooner got mod-killed.
Posted October 01, 2015
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HypersomniacLive: So, what happened with adaliabooks at the end of D3? I'm not clear if a player took him out or if it was simply a way to end the game since BlueMooner got mod-killed.
Adaliabooks was a walking dead man after his attempt to get Trent to claim something outrageous. He didn't have a way to survive Dedo's vig shot, and even if he did, he needed to survive lynches for the rest of the game. With his confession and BlueMoon's modkill, I can't think of any way to divert attention away from killing Adalia in some fashion.
Post edited October 01, 2015 by Bookwyrm627
Posted October 01, 2015
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HypersomniacLive: So, what happened with adaliabooks at the end of D3? I'm not clear if a player took him out or if it was simply a way to end the game since BlueMooner got mod-killed.
RWarehall outlined the basic scenario he envisioned here.
Which assumes that dedo used his vig shot to kill me.
Posted October 01, 2015
Cheers, I have read everything. I was just wondering if that "someone knows why" was something more than code-talk to dedoporno (he had hinted at having a vig shot, plus it's a pretty common ability for JOATs).
Posted October 01, 2015
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Bookwyrm627: Adaliabooks was a walking dead man after his attempt to get Trent to claim something outrageous. He didn't have a way to survive Dedo's vig shot, and even if he did, he needed to survive lynches for the rest of the game. With his confession and BlueMoon's modkill, I can't think of any way to divert attention away from killing Adalia in some fashion.
Not true.. BlueMoon could have restricted him so the shot would not get used or be wasted entirely (assuming he wouldn't have been mod killed first...) and I would have survived the night.
Of course, having confessed to being scum I would be promptly lynched the next day, so it's a moot point.
Posted October 01, 2015
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Bookwyrm627: ...and even if he did, he needed to survive lynches for the rest of the game.
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adaliabooks: Not true.. BlueMoon could have restricted him so the shot would not get used or be wasted entirely (assuming he wouldn't have been mod killed first...) and I would have survived the night.
Of course, having confessed to being scum I would be promptly lynched the next day, so it's a moot point.
Bolded the relevant portion. ;)
Posted October 01, 2015
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adaliabooks: Not true.. BlueMoon could have restricted him so the shot would not get used or be wasted entirely (assuming he wouldn't have been mod killed first...) and I would have survived the night.
I actually tried to mislead you that I had bulletproof left so you didn't go after me (that was before you came out) or if you did you used the block on me as well (back then it was still a supposed block rather than restriction) :)
Posted October 03, 2015
So it seems the game has ended. Oh well. I had high hopes when this game started, really looked forward to the cloak and dagger... *sigh*.

I apologize to all for disappearing, I make no excuse. Sorry especially to Adalia, but the game was already lost after day 2. I was irritated at players who didn't post much day 1, and at C for getting lynched for lurking of all things, and then I go and disappear, so I'm irritated at myself.

I had plans I wanted to explore, see what possibilities there were, but that didn't happen. The two mafia deaths in two days, followed by an almost certain third, was really disheartening to me. Then there was all the talk of mass claim which I still think is a very bad idea, and then the job loss. So since I felt Adalia was sure to be lynched the next day, and I didn't want people to not vote for me out of sympathy for being a newbie or for my personal issues, I was just going to declare anyway and end the game. To me the fun of the game should be the journey, not who "wins", but there were too many factors IMO limiting that.

I hope the rest of you had fun, and again I apologize for disappearing. I don't blame any of you if you hold it against me. I only skimmed the pages, so if anyone said anything to me or wanted me to answer, please repeat it.

FWIW, I was honest about Yog; I really did think him town but not a cop. I don't know why Trent was so confused. I also didn't find out why Flub started acting so rude. Maybe I'll go back and look for it. I also wanted to question Hijack on his responses, but didn't get a chance to. Doesn't matter now.
Posted October 03, 2015
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BlueMooner: So it seems the game has ended. Oh well. I had high hopes when this game started, really looked forward to the cloak and dagger... *sigh*.

I apologize to all for disappearing, I make no excuse. Sorry especially to Adalia, but the game was already lost after day 2. I was irritated at players who didn't post much day 1, and at C for getting lynched for lurking of all things, and then I go and disappear, so I'm irritated at myself.

I had plans I wanted to explore, see what possibilities there were, but that didn't happen. The two mafia deaths in two days, followed by an almost certain third, was really disheartening to me. Then there was all the talk of mass claim which I still think is a very bad idea, and then the job loss. So since I felt Adalia was sure to be lynched the next day, and I didn't want people to not vote for me out of sympathy for being a newbie or for my personal issues, I was just going to declare anyway and end the game. To me the fun of the game should be the journey, not who "wins", but there were too many factors IMO limiting that.

I hope the rest of you had fun, and again I apologize for disappearing. I don't blame any of you if you hold it against me. I only skimmed the pages, so if anyone said anything to me or wanted me to answer, please repeat it.

FWIW, I was honest about Yog; I really did think him town but not a cop. I don't know why Trent was so confused. I also didn't find out why Flub started acting so rude. Maybe I'll go back and look for it. I also wanted to question Hijack on his responses, but didn't get a chance to. Doesn't matter now.
Don't worry, these things happen. You played really well, particularly considering the circumstances. I know you may not feel like it right now (and I hope things pick up on the job front) but you should definitely play again when you have the chance :)
Posted October 03, 2015
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adaliabooks: Don't worry, these things happen. You played really well, particularly considering the circumstances. I know you may not feel like it right now (and I hope things pick up on the job front) but you should definitely play again when you have the chance :)
Thanks. I don't feel like it right now, just depressed in general. I don't know if I want to play again, as day 1 dragged on far too long for me, and the metagaming I think ruins the fun. I also feel bad about leaving everybody, and you, hanging, and don't want to do that again.
Posted October 03, 2015
I second adaliabooks. No need to worry, BlueMooner. My best for things to look up for you, and you hopefully come back for another game soon.

Just one bit of advice, if I may. Don't despair so easily, part of the fun of the game is to try to turn things around (just read what adaliabooks attempted at the end of D3), and if not possible, hit the opposite faction as hard as possible while going down!
Posted October 03, 2015
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adaliabooks: Don't worry, these things happen. You played really well, particularly considering the circumstances. I know you may not feel like it right now (and I hope things pick up on the job front) but you should definitely play again when you have the chance :)
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BlueMooner: Thanks. I don't feel like it right now, just depressed in general. I don't know if I want to play again, as day 1 dragged on far too long for me, and the metagaming I think ruins the fun. I also feel bad about leaving everybody, and you, hanging, and don't want to do that again.
I guess you'd just have to ask for a replacement next time. ;)

@adalia I've just been wondering, why you weren't all for a massclaim at the beginning of day 2? With your role I think that just would've been perfect ;) pick of the litter...
Posted October 03, 2015
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adaliabooks: Don't worry, these things happen. You played really well, particularly considering the circumstances. I know you may not feel like it right now (and I hope things pick up on the job front) but you should definitely play again when you have the chance :)
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BlueMooner: Thanks. I don't feel like it right now, just depressed in general. I don't know if I want to play again, as day 1 dragged on far too long for me, and the metagaming I think ruins the fun. I also feel bad about leaving everybody, and you, hanging, and don't want to do that again.
I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say you would always be welcome if you changed your mind :)
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mchack: I guess you'd just have to ask for a replacement next time. ;)

@adalia I've just been wondering, why you weren't all for a massclaim at the beginning of day 2? With your role I think that just would've been perfect ;) pick of the litter...
I thought people might find it suspicious as I've been vocal in my opposition of such actions in the past. Plus I wasn't really expecting anyone to claim anything particularly useful to me (didn't know there was an unlimited Vig out there..)
Post edited October 03, 2015 by adaliabooks
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