I'm ok voting either of them. I picked flubbucket for the reasons I stated. The link between the two is, as I said, that flubbucket startied breadcrumbing after trentonlf reported his N1 action (see further down for more on this) - before that, there's only one post that can be seen as a breadcrumb, but it could be part of a scum plan, or perhaps I'm reading too much into it, and it's not a breadcrumb at all.
Additionally, his general attitude is on the hostile/ non-cooperative side, yet expects everyone to take his breadcrumbing word that he's town. Something he was far from willing to do in the case of yogsloth.


[emphasis added]

I've being thinking about this, and there's a chance that it's true. But the problem I have with it are the two DVDs he mentioned. You may say that clues are open to interpretation, granted. I asked you if you're familiar with the two films, and you said you weren't. I then suggested you read up on the plot of each, I assume that you didn't.
The two films share a prevailing, positive for town, theme, and even the perceived main baddies are not the actual baddies.
So, I asked myself (and that's why I made that comment about hoping the mod is not that much of a bastard) - if the goal was to point him to "flubbucket is scum", would the mod give him two clues that could mislead him so much as to exonerate scum?


If flubbucket is town, then he must be telling the truth, in which case he has hinted in more than one ways what his role is (I have thought about two other possibilities regarding his role, but things don't seem to fully add up). But if I'm reading his post #1138 correctly, he has not used his role, and won't use it because his conscience won't allow him to. What do you think this implies?

I thought about a misguided town-flubbucked using his power on yogsloth on N1 (would fit with what yogsloth posted), but flubbucket denies to have used it, plus he made a quite strong statement that he doubts that yogsloth was roleblocked. If he's town and used it, why lie about it? I may be reading his post #1138 wrong, but the only one that could shed light on this is flubbucket, and I somehow doubt he's willing to do so.


What evidence would you say exists for flubbucket to be lying, and about what?



Because we lynched two scum so far, and neither of them flipped as Roleblocker. Even if you want to go with my own idea that CSPVG may have had permanent role-blocking abilities as a Mafia Thief, he was lynched on D1, so he couldn't have been the one using such powers on yogsloth during N1.
So unless yogsloth completely misunderstood the N1 visit, a scum role-blocking power of some sort should still be in the game.

As for N2 and your D - I'm assuming that a townie was blocked, but may not have not fully understood what happened, or may not want to come forward (yet). Are you perhaps suggesting that yogsloth did not have a visit of such nature on N1? Why would he have lied about it? He didn't about anything else.

As I said, I may not have covered everything or even covered it full-proof. Why don't you tell us what you think the situation is like and who the remaining scum may be?



Which part of "recurring" did you miss?

You are aware that roleblockers can forgo the block in order to do the night kill, right? And in a game with so many gimped roles, restricting one who already claimed to be able to act may be preferable to blocking one you've no idea if he can or can't act.
Still waiting for an answer to a question I've asked, though I fear it won't be answered by the time the deadline comes.

Tuesday almost-noon (11 am) vote count...
4 Flubbucket (Lifthrasil, Dedoporno, HypersomniacLive, McHack)
1 BlueMooner (Trentonlf)
1 Trentonlf (Adaliabooks)

Flubbucket is closest to leaving the island at L-3
There are 12 players left and it takes 7 votes to force someone off the island and 6 votes to No-Lynch.
Deadline is in 13 hours, Tuesday September 29th Midnight EDT (UTC -4) [Wednesday Sept 30th at 4 am UTC]

Still unaccounted for this week: BlueMooner and HijacK (prod prod prod)
Deadline is tonight!

Bagatha Chrustie reporting in again...
At least there is more action...
Oh, the hangover...
You people are driving me to drink again...
Hey tell my agent to reserve my usual room at the Betty Ford...

None. Which part of my post did you miss? I covered Day 2 and Day 3 in my reply. What beyond those Days do you refer to? Do you accuse me of pushing for a mass claim on Day 1? If so, please quote the post where I did so (which you won't be able to) and stop making up accusations.

Or do you use the word "recurring" differently than other people? (You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means... :-) ) What exactly are you referring to, that I didn't reply to?

That's OK, I've gotten used to you looking at everything I say with suspicion and doubt.
On a more serious note - the role obviously depends on the flip.



And without that answer, you couldn't possibly share in the form of scenarios?


Yes, I am, and I'm going to go over it and see where things may be going while waiting for your own analysis.
Am I to assume that you believe trentonlf's claim about N2?



There's no need to get your knickers in a twist.

I interpreted your question as more than that. It may well just be that, as you've said, you're only playing to win, and want to get a game finished as effortless and as soon as possible to move to the next one. Doesn't mean that I have to embrace this view or like it, and I was not aware that I was not allowed to express my opinion. But you're of course free to believe whatever you like.

Ok, I see what your thinking is there. And if we are to go on behaviour alone then flub is definitely the scummier of the two.

I'm not sure if the mod would use trent's results to point to alignment one way or the other (I'm still not sure whether he's a role or flavour cop... his result suggests the latter but he did claim both didn't he?), but certainly the evidence he found does point towards a town player (from what I could tell, I did only skim the plots of both DVDs) which is the kind of evidence scum might present to prove their buddy was town...

I have to say I missed those hints, but it sounds like his role is what I expected it to be from the clues given. In which case it's not a huge loss to town in our current position, but it's also a good cover for scum.

There's no evidence (that I can think of off the top of my head anyway) that flub is lying, that's what I mean. Whereas there are various hints to point to trent possibly lying (role restriction rather than block, yogs money going missing). So there is more evidence that trent is lying (and therefore likely to be scum).

I still think trent may be the better bet for learning more from the lynch (if flub flips town we may still need to lynch trent just to be sure he isn't lying, but that depends on the results from tonight), but I have no problem voting either of them either.

Finally I also found some clues :D I'm so happy:

role jailor?

Eraser Movie? ... Something about a witness protection program in there

You people do leave them everywhere, don't you? And I didn't find any last game either :/ oh well, ten games from now, maybe I'll get used to always looking for stuff like that in everything...

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I'm re-reading all of trents posts right now and wanted to point out that trents claim came pretty early on day two to supposedly protect flubs from getting lynched.
But back then there were only two people on flubs wagon (yogs and lift with me already gone over to start krypsyns wagon). So he was at L6 and in no real danger to get lynched anytime soon, so that might be an indication that they just made up that claim to be considered town both of them...
But then again, there's the money situation. So if flubs really flips without any money on him, I'm rather inclined to believe trent.
Also trent even asked rwarehall about the ramifications of the money lost and there was a nightly votecount concerning it.
But maybe just maybe trent does take money in the way he said it, but only from people he roleblocks as scum? that could explain yogs lost money. But then again wouldn't have yogs known about the lost money on day 2 then?

Btw, anyone figured out where that claimed name Harry might be lent from?

Also I'm looking for Krypsyns reactions on Trents claim and astonishingly enogh there were none for a very long time (100 posts) (family drama apparently) and then he basically said he believes Trent. Knowing now that he was scum, does that tell us anything?

But then again trent got on krypsyns wagon pretty much in the middle. Though he was pretty uncertain about him.

So I guess one of them has to flip to give credence (or not) to the other...

Well, by my count we've only got 8 hours till No Lynch...

So I think my vote is more useful on flub then trent.

Unvote trentonlf

Vote flubbucket

I'm off to sleep, and I doubt I'll be up before the deadline. My question remains unanswered for now so I'll (reluctantly) vote trentonlf. I'm going with trent instead of flub since trent claims to have been restricted and to also have had a read on flub. If he does flip town, that means we verify the existence of a restrictor, and we can look at flub's items in a new light. Let's see what happens.

Argh, but how can there be a restrictor on the scum team and scum not getting the restriction business at all? When the supposed restrictor got his pm, he must've gotten the idea of the whole restriction business immediately, but as it were even on the end of day 2 they didn't really get it right. :/
Unless of course the Restrictor is a Third Party? But what could his win condition be then? it's plainly anti town...

I think I got what you're doing. I was going to ask you what you planned on doing if the answer didn't come in time, or is not A, but I got my answer.


I did already say I'd go over "(1.3) We have two scum left, with one forgoing the use of their power in order to perform the NK", didn't I? Is there a particular point to asking questions on a scenario I missed in my initial take on things?

In this case, it depends on whether there is a scum role that can (re)restrict townies.
If the answer is yes, then trentonlf is telling the truth about N2 and N1. If trentonlf is town, then flubbucket may or may not be town. This brings me back to the clues trentonlf was given.

And as already mentioned multiple times - who stole yogsloth's money? Could it be that all scum have the ability to steal our buy-ins? If yes, why did they not take agentcarr16's money on N1?

If the answer is no, then, additionally to what I've said, there's a chance for trentonlf being scum and flubbucket being town (see further down).



Not directly, but some roles are traditionally of a certain alignment, and RWarehall is no a fan of switching them.

And yes he did, and such a role is in the game, I'm just not sure if trentonlf actually has it, or if he does, if his alignment is town.



Congrats on finding some of the numerous breadcrumbs that flubbucket has left!

Regarding trentonlf's claimed name:

The only Harry fitting the claimed role I've found is Sheriff Harry S. Truman from Twin Peaks.

But there's another interesting Harry - Harry Lime from Home Alone [emphasis added]: The only reason I can think of for scum-trentonlf jumping to flubbucket's rescue, if he's town, is to gain town points, especially in the case of flubbucket's lynch, which would not be hard to achieve given flubbucket's attitude.

So, adding this to everything else said before, and combined with what I think that JMich is waiting on, but with the deadline nearing, I will:


Unvote flubbucket

and instead

Vote trentonlf

I hope that enough players will cast a vote before the deadline.

oh man. and this 6 hours before no-lynch.... I need to go to bed now but I'll take care to wake up in time. So I can change my vote back when it's needed. Please don't no-lynch people!

unvote flubbucket

..

vote trentonlf

Oh come on people.. glad I checked in.

Unvote flubbucket

Vote trentonlf

I do think it is the better choice, let's just hope we can actually achieve a lynch though...

That stands for both players who are too busy or emotionally incapable, thus your excuse is not an excuse, but evidence of favoritism or foul play; yes here I'm calling you scummy for placing what appears a prod vote in hopes it would stick like CSPVGs.

Plan is terrible. Abort mission. Would only benefit scum. Won't even mention what I had in mind. Good thing I went and reviewed it.

Apologies for the late posting, but I have a chemistry exam this week and homework has been hectic. Today I have some free time so I can contribute.