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mchack: I think Hijacks claim was nowhere near yours, he said he can unrestrict roles whereas you say you can jail/roleblock only restricted roles.
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Krypsyn: His role is similar in that it is a role to thwart restrictions. It was the 'reserved' part that gave me pause. He was claiming a plausible role, form my stand-point, but he was also making is such that it was harder to prove (at least not immediately without forcing night actions).
And how is your role now easier to prove immediately without forcing night actions?

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mchack: I don't see where your role would imply that there is a restrictor role on scum, since town roles seem to come restricted by default.
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Krypsyn: Because, my role specifically is for stopping people from putting restrictions on players. There must be someone in the game that can place restrictions on people, else my role is tantamount to a bastard role. Do you believe a restrictor would be pro-town in this set-up?
"I am Bull (Town Overprotective Orderly). My role is a sort of Restriction-Blocker/Jailer, I guess, although it was never stated as such. I can target a person and take them to my room to keep them safe from bullying or intimidation by other contestants, but there is a chance I will block them from using their Night action. The ability will work on only those who that lack confidence in themselves and need sheltering. "

So the bolded part is what you guess, which was not in the pm I gather. From the rest of your claim I don't see where it says you protect someone from a restriction he should get. It says it only works on people that lack confidence meaning that are already restricted (i.e. I unrestrict people by giving them self-confidence! it says so in the pm I'm a self help guru) It reads to me that you are a jailor that only works on restricted roles and has a chance of roleblocking them. So it wasn't even sure you'd roleblock that person. All the more weird you haven't tried it tonight.

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Krypsyn: At the top of my scum list was dedoporno, Lifthrasil, and mchack. I am now leaning against mchack as scum, so the top of my scumlist would be dedoporno and Lifthrasil, at present. I wouldn't put it past scum to jump on the yogsloth 'town-wagon' (assuming yogsloth is town, which is what I am going with currently) to gain credence. I need to reread Day 1 to see the exact timeline of what people said and when they jumped on the yogsloth-is-so-town wagon.
Now that you actually voted for dedoporno, care to explain what makes him so scummy for you? Have you had time to "reread Day 1 to see the exact timeline..." now that you decided to vote?
It's just that he doesn't exactly scream scum to me, or anyone else for that matter, it seems, as yours is the first vote he got in this game.
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adaliabooks: ... but a restriction protector / doctor as well seems a bit overpowered...
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Krypsyn: I am not a Doctor, or even a full fledges Jailer. I will block people from getting restricted, but I have a chance to remove their ability to use a Night Action. I do not save anyone from NK.
Sorry, that's what I actually meant (a doctor for restrictions rather than NK's).

But as yogs says, your claim doesn't make much sense.... you're saying that you block people from being restricted, but you seem to suggest you can only do it to people who are already restricted...

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Krypsyn: The ability will work on only those who that lack confidence in themselves and need sheltering.
Or what does this mean?
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mchack: And how is your role now easier to prove immediately without forcing night actions?
It isn't. But, I am also not claiming to be a back-up, to put a finer point on it

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mchack: Now that you actually voted for dedoporno, care to explain what makes him so scummy for you? Have you had time to "reread Day 1 to see the exact timeline..." now that you decided to vote?
I think he is piggy backing on other town players. It is either him or Lifthrasil. And, he played it rather quiet in Day 1, as I recall; very safely. He never really committed until it became obvious.
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mchack: Now that you actually voted for dedoporno, care to explain what makes him so scummy for you? Have you had time to "reread Day 1 to see the exact timeline..." now that you decided to vote?
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Krypsyn: I think he is piggy backing on other town players. It is either him or Lifthrasil. And, he played it rather quiet in Day 1, as I recall; very safely. He never really committed until it became obvious.
Well, he committed way before you did.

Anyway, I will keep my vote on you since your claim really doesn't make much sense, either you haven't understood it, or made it up badly or it just isn't much use anyway.
A jailer that can't prevent a nightkill? Only prevent a restrictor that only you think is in the game, whereas anyone else pretty much said the restrictions are there on town roles from the beginning of the game...
The only question at this point is if Krypsyn escapes lynch due to Town apathy. We have to have some of our...

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players whom we lovingly and gently encourage to increase their participation level to thereby maximize the fun had by all

... arrive and be difference-makers.

If that doesn't happen, we're in real trouble.
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yogsloth: Nicely organized.

You will note that in the post of mine you linked to, I directly say: It's Day 2. My belief remains that we need it the most in further days, and if I'm here in Day 3, I pledge I will give it my best shot to analyze all the wagons side-by-side.

[...].
Thanks, helps with not being tunnel-visioned.


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yogsloth: [...]

My criticism of adalia has more to do with his skipping mchack's vote in order to try and pin an ulterior motive on cristigale.
I don't think that adaliabooks did it on purpose (it's not difficult to miss/ mess the timeline of votes if one goes only by the mod's vote count), but how does mchhack's vote change anything in his argument?

Pre-post edit: I see that he took it back, but I''d still like you to answer.



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cristigale: @hyper - post #992

I believe that yogs, mchack, and dedo are all part of the town group with direct knowledge about restrictions. (Along with a few others).

I did not intend to paint blue in a negative light. I'm not going kick a guy while he's down. He may be town, may not. Not going there Today. And again for the record, I have him leaning town, but no real proof of it.

I never called you on not voting. I'm using the name you used in past dead threads and mentioned here.. I don't remember you voting for anyone on day one in past games. That's why I found it surprising. Your apparent new boldness in voting day one lead me to believe this might be the scum version of Hyper.

I'm not purposefully delaying, I'm using the time available to me when I have it. My post #955 was posted 2 minuets after adalia posted #954. (At least that's what it said on my phone) I noticed adalia asked the same question but thought with the time difference it would be obvious I was ninjaed. I doubt anyone can back it up now. If you really thought it was an hour, perhaps my phone doesn't sync well. I did not see adalia's post until after I posted.
A couple of your posts in Game #27 beg to differ on "I never called you on not voting. Anyway.

I guess one should not try and improve their play lest they'd be immediately thought of being scum. I can always go back to not voting if it'd make you happy, but if you think that I'm scum, then perhaps you should vote me.

As for the rest, I've seen this sort of arguments from you before to take them at face value. Until some evidence dictates otherwise, question-mark stays.



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Krypsyn: HijacK said he was "Reserve" , so this implies that he is not the main one, but a back-up (I even thing he said as much). Thus, there is no way for him to prove his claim immediately unless the first Guru dies. If you mean that he could be confirmed by a role at Night? Possibly, but that would still give him another Night, as scum, and there is no guarantee that town has, or wold even use, that role on him.

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There's also no guarantee that town has not a role that could confirm (or not) his role, nor is there a guarantee that the role-holder wouldn't use it on him. So, that's not much of an argument as to why you did not take every possibility into account, especially since you demand it from others.


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Krypsyn: [...]

I am Bull (Town Overprotective Orderly). My role is a sort of Restriction-Blocker/Jailer, I guess, although it was never stated as such. I can target a person and take them to my room to keep them safe from bullying or intimidation by other contestants, but there is a chance I will block them from using their Night action. The ability will work on only those who that lack confidence in themselves and need sheltering.

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This also implies that scum has a restrictor role, else why would my role even exist, and thus they may be privy to information some town players feel only they know.

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Krypsyn: [...] My role only works to save people from getting restricted,[...]
I'm having a bit of difficulty following what your role supposedly does. As adaliabooks said, you claim to shelter people from getting restricted and also that your role only works on those that are already restricted. It doesn't make sense

And all the arguments you used against HijacK apply to you too if you're scum.

On a side note - that part about taking people to your room at night, sounds pretty perverted. ;-P



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adaliabooks: [...]. If there is a scum 'restrictor' [...]
I had wondered if CSPVG had permanent roleblocking abilities as a Mafia Thief.



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yogsloth: [...]

If I'm right?

You know the drill.

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I'm pretty sure no-one here wants to have anything to do with your arse, so could you please stop with this tasteless joke?
Too many inconsistencies. So, vote Krypsyn.
OK, I'm back from the restaurant. I see we have some stuff going on. Reading.
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HypersomniacLive: I don't think that adaliabooks did it on purpose (it's not difficult to miss/ mess the timeline of votes if one goes only by the mod's vote count), but how does mchhack's vote change anything in his argument?

Pre-post edit: I see that he took it back, but I''d still like you to answer.
His argument appeared to be that cristi's argument was made entirely to encourage other players to identify her and her only as Town because of her vote for CSPVG. When you consider there were three names she was referring to - the first three votes on the wagon - it's not nearly the same. I also think it's a poor detail to try and accuse someone of Scumminess - to the point of voting - just because someone claims to be Town. I mean, don't we all?

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HypersomniacLive: I'm pretty sure no-one here wants to have anything to do with your arse, so could you please stop with this tasteless joke?
One too many? One too many.
Emm... is Krypsyn done?
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HypersomniacLive: Emm... is Krypsyn done?
well he's two votes from done, if you mean that. But I don't think so. As for done as in done talking, seems so, though that would be surprising. he dropped offline, though...
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Krypsyn: Also,

Vote: dedoporno
At last! You took your time but you managed after all. Good for you!


So, you are saying that you protect people from becoming restricted by another entity? Boy, is your role useless in the early game or what? You basically have to wait for mchack and potentially HijacK to go around and unlock some people, guess who those people are so you can protect them from becoming re-restricted once again while risking blocking them (which is basically the same outcome just for one night). It's even worse that you can't even try to yolo-block a mafioso since you say your ability only works on restricted people.

Did I say early game? I meant "this game".


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Krypsyn: And, he played it rather quiet in Day 1, as I recall; very safely. He never really committed until it became obvious.
You got me!


I believe I will keep the vote where it is.
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mchack: well he's two votes from done, if you mean that. But I don't think so. As for done as in done talking, seems so, though that would be surprising. he dropped offline, though...
I mean "done talking".
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dedoporno: So, you are saying that you protect people from becoming restricted by another entity? Boy, is your role useless in the early game or what? You basically have to wait for mchack and potentially HijacK to go around and unlock some people, guess who those people are so you can protect them from becoming re-restricted once again while risking blocking them (which is basically the same outcome just for one night). It's even worse that you can't even try to yolo-block a mafioso since you say your ability only works on restricted people.

Did I say early game? I meant "this game".
I love when I get to literally, actually, laugh at loud when playing this game. YOLO!!!!!
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adaliabooks: Not sure what to make of Krypsyn's claim. If there is a scum 'restrictor' as he speculates (claims?) that might explain why we have two unrestrictors
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Krypsyn: The ability will work on only those who that lack confidence in themselves and need sheltering.
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adaliabooks: Or what does this mean?
You're certainly trying your best to throw him a bone here. I think it's too late, though. Better bus him. ;)