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Posted November 16, 2016
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tinyE: I'm so confused.

So anything with a bone I'm allowed to pick up and eat with my hands.

Well fish has bones in it, but something tells me if I pick up this piece of salmon and shove it in my pie hole I'm never going to be invited back here.
You were actually invited here? Most of us had to find the place on our own. Hmmmph! :-)
Posted November 16, 2016
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Crewdroog: .
Hiya Droogette.
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dtgreene: .
Hiya Deatrice.
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Posted November 16, 2016
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tinyE: For my money, If we could just get asshats like Tauto, Regals, and ciomalau (among others) to stop harassing people (and by that I mean following them around and launching into everything they posts) then there would be no need for this thread or a CM period. We don't even need to censor them or boot them, just give them there own thread, that way, if I ask someone about a mod or a game review I don't have to worry about the first three replies being "You fuck children one ball."

They are welcome to post that, just keep it in their own thread. :D
I second this.
The booting of Tauto, Regals, ciomalau, and others is literally all I want, and, personally, the only change I believe needs to be made. The rest already takes care of itself nicely.
The people who ARE, to use the term that others have already used, "easily triggered special snowflakes", I can almost certainly guarantee you that they don't hang around here for long, or, if they do, nobody pays attention to them when they act like that anyways. And the people that do use this place like, as previously stated, a "hate speech echo chamber", same thing happens, we ostracize them and treat them appropriately. Literally all I care about is direct person-to-person harassment.
Post edited November 16, 2016 by zeogold
Posted November 16, 2016
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JMich: (are there racial slurs for Greeks btw? Which ones?)
I've heard "JMich" is one of the worst.

Although, to answer your question seriously:
http://www.rsdb.org/race/greeks

"Zorba" is the only one I've ever heard before, and I don't think it was even being used as a slur.
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JMich: Paywalls for forums are bad.
The only real way to solve the issue is an IP check, but I'm not sure how well that'd go over with people...
Post edited November 16, 2016 by zeogold
Posted November 16, 2016
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fronzelneekburm: Gog should implement a system that gets easily triggered special snowflakes automatically redirected to a more appropriate outlet for them.
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Goodaltgamer: Might be me, but could you describe a bit better what you mean?
lol that forum it sounds aas bad as neofag.
Banned Topics:

-- Fred Phelps / Westboro Baptist Church

-- Discussions even remotely related to "homosexuality: nature vs. nurture" and/or "does God really hate gays?"

-- Should transgender people really be considered the gender they say they are?

-- Spanking children as a disciplinary measure.*

-- Typical male circumcision.*
What about Gamergate?

RPGnet has spent many years building an environment where all gamers can discuss games without being intimidated or attacked because of who and what they are-- a place where minorities, folks of varying spiritual beliefs, LGBT posters, and women can speak without fear of being harassed or silenced-- and the activities carried out under the #gamergate banner are completely incompatible with maintaining such an atmosphere. Any group that drives multiple women from their homes in fear of their lives, calls in bomb threats to conventions, and at every turn seeks to silence those that disagree with them through intimidation and harassment has no place on RPGnet.

What does this mean for you, the poster? Here's an easy guide:
• Wait, does this mean I can't criticize Anita Sarkeesian's videos or whatever? - Not at all. Criticize to your heart's content..
• But ethical journalism is deeply important to me! - Then by all means, discuss journalism and ethics on RPGnet.
• Clearly you haven't done any research on this subject or you'd know that #gamergate strongly supports diversity in gaming and strongly condemns harassment and that it's just a few bad apples -- Nope, go somewhere else to post that.
but at least they're honest about their bigotry instead of other forums which pretend to be open but have secret mod rules.
Posted November 16, 2016
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Goodaltgamer: snip
Forgive me if I remain skeptic. So far "any effort at all" was considered "too much effort", so I'll need to see some changes in the forum before I'll stop considering their refusal to be just more of the same.
Post edited November 16, 2016 by DaCostaBR
Posted November 16, 2016
Now that I actually read through the whole thread here's my two cents. I don't remember who brought up tying how many up/ down votes you can make per day to your rep, but I disagree. I understand it would limit the damage trolls/ stalkers could do but it would also keep me from up-voting all of the hardworking people in this thread and others everyday.
Posted November 16, 2016
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Crewdroog: lol, community manager that does something. *holds breath*
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blakstar: Are you trying to ban yourself permanently? :-P
meh, why not?

and hello :)
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DaCostaBR: Forgive me if I remain skeptic. So far "any effort at all" was considered "too much effort", so I'll need to see some changes in the forum before I'll stop considering their refusal to be just more of the same.
No problem ;)
And fables22 has been 'updated' and is, me thinks, well aware of that he will have a hard time. And a healthy skeptic was never wrong.
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zeogold: I second this.
The booting of Tauto, Regals, ciomalau, and others is literally all I want, and, personally, the only change I believe needs to be made. The rest already takes care of itself nicely.
The people who ARE, to use the term that others have already used, "easily triggered special snowflakes", I can almost certainly guarantee you that they don't hang around here for long, or, if they do, nobody pays attention to them when they act like that anyways. And the people that do use this place like, as previously stated, a "hate speech echo chamber", same thing happens, we ostracize them and treat them appropriately. Literally all I care about is direct person-to-person harassment.
Out of which reason?
Just because?

If so you could just use jerkmuter..

I know you can do better.
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blakstar: You were actually invited here? Most of us had to find the place on our own. Hmmmph! :-)
Sorry, I assumed that people here could read, what did I think......tststs ;)

So what are your thoughts on this subject on hand right here as I posted?
Post edited November 16, 2016 by Goodaltgamer
Posted November 16, 2016
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blakstar: Are you trying to ban yourself permanently? :-P
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Crewdroog: meh, why not?

and hello :
And hello too :-)

BTW You've obviously not gone for the perma-ban option, since you're still breathing. :-)
Posted November 16, 2016
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Goodaltgamer: If so you could just use jerkmuter..
If you're going to use that argument, you could apply it to the whole "hate speech" thing and propose that as a solution to all the community's woes. And I certainly hope you're not about to go in THAT direction.
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Goodaltgamer: Out of which reason?
Just because?
Because they're 90% of the problem with this place, outside of the obvious tech issues.
This community is pretty self-moderating as it is and always has been, the problem is that we have no power to do anything with this self-moderation other than ostracizing people, which doesn't exactly get rid of them or change their behavior.
Post edited November 16, 2016 by zeogold
Posted November 16, 2016
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Crewdroog: meh, why not?

and hello :
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blakstar: And hello too :-)

BTW You've obviously not gone for the perma-ban option, since you're still breathing. :-)
i just keep passing out :(
Posted November 16, 2016
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zeogold: And the people that do use this place like, as previously stated, a "hate speech echo chamber", same thing happens, we ostracize them and treat them appropriately.
This is not true. Beyond a certain critical mass (of mutual legitimation), the "them" become the "we". Self-moderation in a group is the enforcement of a certain norm, and norms evolve with the components of that group.

This forum has long left the times where there was a consensus against "hate speech". It left it with gamergate and the greek crisis, it left it in front of islamism and forced migrations. And Trump's election redefines it even further.

GOG's self-moderation is a thing of the past. "Hate speech" is respectable in the eyes of too many forumgoers (and voters, in case you didn't notice), and most of those who used to balance this have left as a result. The question is how to deal with that (even : to deal or not to deal).

It won't be an easy question. But denial won't solve it either.
Posted November 16, 2016
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zeogold: If you're going to use that argument, you could apply it to the whole "hate speech" thing and propose that as a solution to all the community's woes. And I certainly hope you're not about to go in THAT direction.
I give you a hint: 60 :P
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zeogold: Because they're 90% of the problem with this place, outside of the obvious tech issues.
This community is pretty self-moderating as it is and always has been, the problem is that we have no power to do anything with this self-moderation other than ostracizing people, which doesn't exactly get rid of them or change their behavior.
On which ground? Why? How do you want to handle future incidents?

or as I asked: Because :P
You just keep answering because.

So I just say, because I want zeogold to be banned. *boof*
(I know what they are)
Posted November 16, 2016
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zeogold: And the people that do use this place like, as previously stated, a "hate speech echo chamber", same thing happens, we ostracize them and treat them appropriately.
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Telika: This is not true. Beyond a certain critical mass (of mutual legitimation), the "them" become the "we". Self-moderation in a group is the enforcement of a certain norm, and norms evolve with the components of that group.

This forum has long left the times where there was a consensus against "hate speech". It left it with gamergate and the greek crisis, it left it in front of islamism and forced migrations. And Trump's election redefines it even further.

GOG's self-moderation is a thing of the past. "Hate speech" is respectable in the eyes of too many forumgoers (and voters, in case you didn't notice), and most of those who used to balance this have left as a result. The question is how to deal with that (even : to deal or not to deal).

It won't be an easy question. But denial won't solve it either.
Forgive me if I come off as offensive, but this sounds to me like you're dangerously teetering on the edge of "This needs to be stopped because I don't like it and I say it's bad." Especially by bringing politics (Trump's election) into it out of nowhere.

You can't kick someone out on the basis of their political viewpoints. How they express them, ok, sure. But just because of what they hold?
Post edited November 16, 2016 by zeogold
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