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Posted November 17, 2016
So if dtgreene hasn't yet blocked me with jerkmuter, I extend a wholehearted and genuine apology.. Not for my message, but rather the method and tone of that message.
Posted November 17, 2016
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Fairfox: I'd ban-hammer y'all so hard if I was a mod
I'd get extremely hard if you banned me, Foxette.
Posted November 17, 2016
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blakstar: Well, I have to say that I don't support the paywall option, and, at least, people might consider whether to click on the (+)/(-) signs if it were reflected publicly. The only problem with that, though, is you would probably have to provide a reason why you were choosing said option for things to remain constructive, and therefore a basis to determine whether the vote was not simply an attempt to aggravate the poster.

One other option I've considered is having to pass a CAPTCHA when the rep buttons are clicked -- yes, it's a bit of a pain, but at least it would prevent frivolous clicking of the rep buttons.

Failing everything else, just dump the rep system altogether, since it seems to serve no real purpose that I can see.
hm...maybe we would see a flamewar for a short time, BUT if it is clearly transmitted that the downvote person has the right to challenge you even if just by asking WHY, he can and shall expect a valid reply. Otherwise he proven wise would already make a foul out of himself. But at least this way, those accounts could be identified and being reported for misuse. thinking also of scripts or similar here (discussion needed)
But I think it would lead to a more constructive way. Has it would not longer be anonymous. And as you mentioned attempt to aggravate: see discussion with nispen and others.

I think we really have to separate them (voting & rules) more and combine them at the same time. I know sounds strange.
First do we like the idea yes or no, what shall we think of and so on, the implications on the other hand shall be 'only' seen in the other discussion.

For reCaptcha: Just checked, not downvoted/killed yet :O
Sorry couldn't resist ;) But if I think of the outcry generated for the 2step thing.
I don't know, might be a good idea, this way only IF you are REALLY desperate you would do it.

I leave it open for discussion, I think you know what I mean ;)
Posted November 17, 2016
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Goodaltgamer: [snip]

For reCaptcha: Just checked, not downvoted/killed yet :O
Sorry couldn't resist ;) But if I think of the outcry generated for the 2step thing.
I don't know, might be a good idea, this way only IF you are REALLY desperate you would do it.

I leave it open for discussion, I think you know what I mean ;)
I'm not in favour of the CAPTCHA thing myself -- I'm just throwing out anything and everything I can think of at the moment!

I certainly don't have any simple solutions, given that sorting out the GOG forum has become something of a Gordian knot -- maybe we ought to just nuke the site from orbit instead? (He says, shamelessly mixing mythology with sci-fi!) :-)
Posted November 17, 2016
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blakstar: One other option I've considered is having to pass a CAPTCHA when the rep buttons are clicked -- yes, it's a bit of a pain, but at least it would prevent frivolous clicking of the rep buttons.
CAPTCHA for downvote specifically, perhaps. If someone wants to invest the time exploit the system to upvote themselves, whatevs.

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paladin181: I don't always put tender feelings first.
Ok, as long as you always leave a tender moment alone.
Posted November 17, 2016
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nipsen: I may have pounced on you a little bit, because you seem reasonable, and to get an opportunity to argue a couple of things more fully, on sort of related bits and pieces.

But I have a couple of genuine problems with the approach where we start out discussing what should be removed, because it's bad, etc. I wish to see an open debate about whether it is going to actually serve a purpose to remove anything at all. That's where this should start.

That we instead start off by implying that if we only talk about it enough, we're going to agree that someone specific has to be removed from the board - I'm not a huge fan of that sort of thing.
bloody say so, you bloody Norwegian!!! ;)
I was only afraid that we might get how to say, don't know how to say....I say it this way: I don't mind so long it is clear for discussion purpose and I had a feeling it was not ;)

And yes, I do agree a lot of discussion is needed and I really would like this to be a bigger debate as well. If you don't mind, shall we stay with the themes: WHAT WHY WHEN (others) and classify them accordingly? This way it is easier to share also across?

Rep-system a completely different debate me thinks as I indicated with blakstar a completely different story. And you never shared your thoughts about this subject :P

Why: Moderator: If we come up with rules (if you don't mind them let's call the like this easier to type ;) ) and GOG does take them over as guidelines, I think he/they will more be willing to accept it. Yes Power corrupts, but did anyone else till now used it and mass-closed threats, no instead it was Wild West.

WHY: Rep-wars, attention? They are beyond attention or help. For others, I am open for discussion, I made suggestions and are waiting for input. Hence why JMICH and others suggested originator only but jamyskis did put forward in his post which you could see in post2.

IF SOME F*CKING ASSHOLES WOULD NOT MISUSE THE DOWNVOTING PROCESS. instead of saying what they don't like in there.

And you know what, in the moment I am too pissed off to continue.You know what, shall this place go down in hell. In the moment I don't care. I spend fucking hours of my own time which feel just wasted, I could have spend with something better. JUST BECAUSE SOME ASSHOLES ARE TOO F*CKING LAZY TO SAY A F*CKING SINGLE WORD OR TRY TO REASON.

Not directed at you ;)
Posted November 17, 2016
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Telika: In honest contexts (that is, outside manipulative rhetorical constructions), [...] "A mexican is mexican" is not racist.
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dtgreene: Here's something to consider. First, I am going to transpose that statement to refer to a different group. "A black person is black" is still not racist. Now, I will make one change to it: "A nigger is black" is, indeed, a racist statement, because it contains a racial slur.

There are other slurs as well, like "faggot" (not to be confused with the german "fagott") and "tranny", that are equally as offensive as "nigger"; they refer to different (but not disjoint!) groups.

Another issue is that context can matter. For example, "gay" and "autistic" aren't necessarily offensive, but when used as insults, they are. Another example is "queer", which is often used as an insult (particularly when used as a noun), but has been reclaimed by many queer people.
You do realize that tranny is also short term slang for an automobile's transmission, correct?
Posted November 17, 2016
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Hence why JMICH and others suggested originator only but jamyskis did put forward in his post which you could see in post2.

IF SOME F*CKING ASSHOLES WOULD NOT MISUSE THE DOWNVOTING PROCESS. instead of saying what they don't like in there.

And you know what, in the moment I am too pissed off to continue.You know what, shall this place go down in hell. In the moment I don't care. I spend fucking hours of my own time which feel just wasted, I could have spend with something better. JUST BECAUSE SOME ASSHOLES ARE TOO F*CKING LAZY TO SAY A F*CKING SINGLE WORD OR TRY TO REASON.
Posted November 17, 2016
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Goodaltgamer: Hence why JMICH and others suggested originator only but jamyskis did put forward in his post which you could see in post2.

IF SOME F*CKING ASSHOLES WOULD NOT MISUSE THE DOWNVOTING PROCESS. instead of saying what they don't like in there.

And you know what, in the moment I am too pissed off to continue.You know what, shall this place go down in hell. In the moment I don't care. I spend fucking hours of my own time which feel just wasted, I could have spend with something better. JUST BECAUSE SOME ASSHOLES ARE TOO F*CKING LAZY TO SAY A F*CKING SINGLE WORD OR TRY TO REASON.
This was probably always going to end this way, in all honesty. Forum regulars have never reacted well to people attempting to impose their brand of rulesets or enforce self-censorship under a thin veneer of "this will totally improve things, guise!"

This isn't the first time, nor will it probably be the last. I'm sorry you wasted your time, but asking around probably would have saved you a bunch of disappointment.
Posted November 17, 2016
Fifteen two, fifteen four, fifteen six, and a run for three.

I got squat in the crib.
Posted November 17, 2016
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Fairfox: P.S. Make me a mod.
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phaolo: Sorry, the last available position for foxes was taken by foxworks.
There's always room for another fox! It'll be a party. Fairfox will bring the spirits and I'll bring the cheese!
Posted November 17, 2016
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tinyE: Fifteen two, fifteen four, fifteen six, and a run for three.

I got squat in the crib.
Smell that? Smells like a skunk.
Posted November 17, 2016
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tinyE: Fifteen two, fifteen four, fifteen six, and a run for three.

I got squat in the crib.
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TARFU: Smell that? Smells like a skunk.
Smells like a double skunk.

And yeah, Ive had that happen to me before. COUNTLESS TIMES!!! :P
Posted November 17, 2016
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Goodaltgamer: I spend fucking hours of my own time which feel just wasted, I could have spend with something better. JUST BECAUSE SOME ASSHOLES ARE TOO F*CKING LAZY TO SAY A F*CKING SINGLE WORD OR TRY TO REASON.
To be fair, I did warn you repeatedly, in posts and via chat, that it would end up like this.

Edit: It seems that now you've flown off the handle over it, checking the OP. I do hope you'll reconsider after cooling down a bit. You seem quite frustrated, and understandably so, but the fact of the matter is that, as I previously stated, you're going to be hard-pressed to find even two people who agree entirely on this subject. The problem is that not only will they disagree, but they'll disagree so strongly that they'll inevitably get caught up in that rather than suggesting fixes.

I hope I don't offend you by saying this, but in so many ways, this is kind of your fault. You keep prodding the constant "WHY" question, asking "Well, why should X be a ban-worthy offense?" which is...a question that will only serve to perpetuate the constant arguing back and forth. You've basically helped turn this into what it's slowly become: Yet another political thread.
Skip that. Skip all of that. Leave the philosophizing to a different thread. What we need instead are DIRECT SUGGESTIONS for Fables to try to implement or carry word of to the higher-ups. Because I'm sure that the only thing reading a thread like this is doing is giving the poor guy a headache while Konrad laughs at him, saying "See?! I TOLD you that you should've gone into accounting!"
Post edited November 17, 2016 by zeogold
Posted November 17, 2016
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zeogold: I hope I don't offend you by saying this, but in so many ways, this is kind of your fault. You keep prodding the constant "WHY" question, asking "Well, why should X be a ban-worthy offense?" which is...a question that will only serve to perpetuate the constant arguing back and forth. You've basically helped turn this into what it's slowly become: Yet another political thread.
Skip that. Skip all of that. Leave the philosophizing to a different thread. What we need instead are DIRECT SUGGESTIONS for Fables to try to implement or carry word of to the higher-ups. Because I'm sure that the only thing reading a thread like this is doing is giving the poor guy a headache while Konrad laughs at him, saying "See?! I TOLD you that you should've gone into accounting!"
Thank you! This has been a wonderful dozen and a half pages of discussing almost nothing regarding what the community manager should actually do to improve the forums. He dumped a bunch of stuff on the OP, and then there was no discussion, although he himself very much contributed to that fate.



1. What can the community manager do? What few suggestions we have all revolve around changing the very structure of the forum, like revamping the rep system, how realistic is that? Can the community manager ask for these things to be implemented? Will they do it? Or do we have to work with what we got somehow?

2. Banning people: is that even a thing that should happen in the forum? But if it doesn't how can we deal with people breaking the community guidelines? The only other privileges we have are starting topics and posting links, and the way the forum is programmed people can already worm themselves out of the second one, so it's not like there is any other privilege that could be taken away, there is no inbetween banning and doing nothing.

3. Alts: banning, warning and anything else you can come up with to enforce any rules you create are rendered meaningless by the existence of alts. You suggested the problem members are actually very few and that increasing moderation is unnecessary if only the already existing rules were enforced on them, but what keeps them from starting an alt and going right back to it? I suggested requiring the account had some games to its name before using the general forums. You spoke of IP banning users, I assumed that might be more trouble than it's worth, but is it? Is it feasible? If not, what other measure can there be to crack down on alt accounts?



These are the three most important things to discuss that no one is talking about: What can we ask of the community manager? Should mod punishment exist and if so in what form? If it does, how to stop alts from undermining that system?



And if this is just going to become another political thread, fine, I'll embrace it. Trump and Hillary both sucked, you should have all voted for Joe Exotic.
Post edited November 17, 2016 by DaCostaBR
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