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Posted November 16, 2016
ciomalau is trying to sell game guides in another thread.

So how do we stand on this? :P
Posted November 16, 2016
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Hello everyone!

1. Currently it is possible to entirely delete a thread by abusing a "report as spam" feature. Both of my JerkMuter threads were deleted in that way, although it is clear to all involved that (regardless of anyone's personal feelings on the matter of ignoring people) neither thread constituted spam. This should be fixed so that those who run bots are no longer able to run the forum, and so that others are not forced to respond with their own automation.

2. In so far as the ignore feature goes, JerkMuter 2.0 is now available.

New features:
* New visual interface (no need to edit files to add/remove jerks or change configuration)
* The ability to mute people with a single click (next to their name in the post)
* Simple installation
* More details (and screenshots) in the above link

Old Features:
* Mute jerks (posts and optionally threads)
* Hide reputation
* Hide threads by keyword
* Configure optional functionality and looks
Post edited November 16, 2016 by Alaric.us
Posted November 16, 2016
I don't run a bot. I don't even know what that means. :P

I can barely turn my computer on and anyone who was with me in the 'First 3D game' thread yesterday can attest to this.
Post edited November 16, 2016 by tinyE
Posted November 16, 2016
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Starmaker: .
Hello there, I've never met anyone from Korea before.

Thank you for your electronics and motor vehicles, thank you.

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phaolo: he shows up telling me the opposite
I can help with this as I'm fluent in forum politics.

The tiny one promised BradMan that if he stopped using the LGBTI avatar, he would leave him alone.
Post edited November 16, 2016 by Kleetus
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tinyE: ciomalau is trying to sell game guides in another thread.

So how do we stand on this? :P
Forbidden by EULA, forbidden by law

hence removed.
Posted November 16, 2016
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Goodaltgamer: Forbidden by EULA, forbidden by law

hence removed.
He is actually trying to sell guides he writes himself, not third party guides.
Posted November 16, 2016
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Goodaltgamer: Seriously? sometimes I think yes, with a big hammer ;)
I don't know if you have seen the thread I opened for the sales? I opened it to express my gratitude and make people say thank you for the freebies and so on.
If you are interested I can give you a link ;) And that goes for other persons/actions as well. People do remember the worse faaaaaaaar longer as the good stuff.
Hence big hammer.
Ok, but should everyone be grateful? I didn't feel grateful so i didn't. And what would the point of the rep system be used in this case, to see who's grateful or not? A bit pretentious, no?

Did you think about that this might be a good way to actually battle alts? Did this thought came across?
If somebody always gets the same votes from somebody, could this not be used to spot alts?
Perhaps but it could also create witch hunts or fake reports. Let's say that i have a bunch of alt accounts and i have something against you, couldn't i just use them to accuse you of boosting your rep with alt accounts? I mean, you can't prove those accounts don't belong to you.

For your point of WHEN a user shall be able to use it, open for debate:
Suggestion out of thin air ;)
Giving positive votes, day 1 (like somebody joined and asked for help)
downvoting (which I think is the biggest problem and with the bold in mind) only after 3 month? And maybe a rep-requirement?
Before you complain, it is the same.......No don't forget, it would be still visible, right?
And who is going to verify each thread of each section/subforum to see if the rep wasn't boosted? And what about the alt accounts that already exist?
And for the software: This would be "only" a minor modification, me thinks, and rather safe. Yes the up/downvoting might get screwed, but isn't this what you are asking for anyway :P
Well, we can't really discuss this then since we don't know if it's a minor modification or/and safe, i mean, you're talking about creating a set of rules in order for the rep system to work...
Post edited November 16, 2016 by Cyraxpt
Posted November 16, 2016
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tinyE: ciomalau is trying to sell game guides in another thread.

So how do we stand on this? :P
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Goodaltgamer: Forbidden by EULA, forbidden by law

hence removed.
You mean by someone from GOG? I've seen Judas editing posts to remove illegal links in the past, but I don't think they ever removed threads from the forum.
Posted November 16, 2016
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rodrolliv: but I don't think they ever removed threads from the forum.
They have. It's not that often that they do, and they usually lock threads instead of remove them, but the occasional thread has been removed in the past by the staff.
Posted November 16, 2016
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Telika: In honest contexts (that is, outside manipulative rhetorical constructions), [...] "A mexican is mexican" is not racist.
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dtgreene: Here's something to consider. First, I am going to transpose that statement to refer to a different group. "A black person is black" is still not racist. Now, I will make one change to it: "A nigger is black" is, indeed, a racist statement, because it contains a racial slur.

There are other slurs as well, like "faggot" (not to be confused with the german "fagott") and "tranny", that are equally as offensive as "nigger"; they refer to different (but not disjoint!) groups.

Another issue is that context can matter. For example, "gay" and "autistic" aren't necessarily offensive, but when used as insults, they are. Another example is "queer", which is often used as an insult (particularly when used as a noun), but has been reclaimed by many queer people.
What if someone calls you a queer gay autistic tranny nigger faggot?

Say that 5 times fast!
Posted November 16, 2016
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Telika: In honest contexts (that is, outside manipulative rhetorical constructions), [...] "A mexican is mexican" is not racist.
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dtgreene: Here's something to consider. First, I am going to transpose that statement to refer to a different group. "A black person is black" is still not racist. Now, I will make one change to it: "A nigger is black" is, indeed, a racist statement, because it contains a racial slur.

There are other slurs as well, like "faggot" (not to be confused with the german "fagott") and "tranny", that are equally as offensive as "nigger"; they refer to different (but not disjoint!) groups.

Another issue is that context can matter. For example, "gay" and "autistic" aren't necessarily offensive, but when used as insults, they are. Another example is "queer", which is often used as an insult (particularly when used as a noun), but has been reclaimed by many queer people.
I don't think there is a need to specifically outlaw insults. From an anthropological point of view the development of insults rivals the development of fire and the wheel in importance. An insult is a surrogate for violence, and that very first caveman who cursed out his buddy instead of silently smashing his head with a rock, had effectively enabled civilization.

Nobody should have to listen to insults. To that end there should be an ignore feature. Not necessarily my implementation, but some sort of functionality that allows a user to remove those who worsen their forum experience. That said, if you feel that I am a drooling imbecile, you should be able to say so. After that it's my choice whether I take it in good humor, get angry, get sad, or simply get annoyed and block you.
Post edited November 16, 2016 by Alaric.us
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Cyraxpt: Ok, but should everyone be grateful? I didn't feel grateful so i didn't. And what would the point of the rep system be used in this case, to see who's grateful or not? A bit pretentious, no?
Sorry if it came across wrong. Yes some people do have a grudge (rightfully), but does it mean ,as some others said as well, NOT to just say thank you for the freebie? BUT such and such....

I did not tie it to the rep system as I just wanted to illustrate (and what you have just proven, yes strike ;) ) how easy people forget something good. (and no not done on purpose, I really swear!!!!)

As I said people tend to forget the good quicker....

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Cyraxpt: Perhaps but it could also create witch hunts or fake reports. Let's say that i have a bunch of alt accounts and i have something against you, couldn't i just use them to accuse you of boosting your rep with alt accounts? I mean, you can't prove those accounts don't belong to you.
point taken, but what did I say in post one: "false reporting of a claim (abuse of the rules)"
under point 2.
And again next test to be applied repeated.
Everyone can make a mistake. Hence the repetition being needed, do I need to make it clearer in the OP? (asking/suggestions)
Witch hunt/fake reports would back-fire onto the reporter if he does it more then once. But don't forget manual operation here. (another safeguard)
I roll over to the next part as this overlaps, me thinks.

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Cyraxpt: And who is going to verify each thread of each section/subforum to see if the rep wasn't boosted? And what about the alt accounts that already exist?

Well, we can't really discuss this then since we don't know if it's a minor modification or/and safe, i mean, you're talking about creating a set of rules in order for the rep system to work...
That is up for us the same way as we already identify scammers or similar. Me thinks, but maybe up for discussion.
But as I indicated, one thing, if scammer accounts disappear from the forum, they would need to start from scratch, in a really hard way, agreed? If we have doubt about a user, we could check for the upvotes, who does it, where when and so on, right?

for the safe part, knowing a wee bit ;) about this, it would only crash the voting buttons. Safe who knows, as I said, didn't you wanted to get rid of it anyway ;)
Minor also, work associated with it, yes for sure.
But this is on a bigger scale a rather minor problem. Yes, it takes maybe 1-2 weeks to implement it (using 50% of a normal work-base), but the overall time needed depends a bit on the availability (and management).

But one reason to discuss it, would be also for GOG to see, what we want! (And yes keep further playing devils advocate or come up with new ideas :)
Let;s rephrase it, it seems that GOG finally realised that we are pissed off and they need to do something. No imagine the outcry if they just implement something on their own ;) Who knows maybe they learned ;)
Posted November 16, 2016
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tinyE: ciomalau is trying to sell game guides in another thread.

So how do we stand on this? :P
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Goodaltgamer: Forbidden by EULA, forbidden by law

hence removed.
you want to remove any links to mods because the EULA forbids modifying the software ?
i don't think so. Let's be honest, nobody gives a damn about the EULAs.
Except some lawyers who earn their paycheck by writing them.
Posted November 16, 2016
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rodrolliv: You mean by someone from GOG? I've seen Judas editing posts to remove illegal links in the past, but I don't think they ever removed threads from the forum.
LOL

You do not spend enough time on the forum ;)

One day I have seen TWO threads vanish, after 1 minute of existence :P
But from I was able to gather it was always a thread trying to sell something or similar.

You really need to be quick, really quick ;)
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Goodaltgamer: Forbidden by EULA, forbidden by law

hence removed.
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immi101: you want to remove any links to mods
Why are you saying something, what I did NOT say?
Post edited November 16, 2016 by Goodaltgamer
Posted November 16, 2016
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Telika: In honest contexts (that is, outside manipulative rhetorical constructions), [...] "A mexican is mexican" is not racist.
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dtgreene: Here's something to consider. First, I am going to transpose that statement to refer to a different group. "A black person is black" is still not racist. Now, I will make one change to it: "A nigger is black" is, indeed, a racist statement, because it contains a racial slur.

There are other slurs as well, like "faggot" (not to be confused with the german "fagott") and "tranny", that are equally as offensive as "nigger"; they refer to different (but not disjoint!) groups.

Another issue is that context can matter. For example, "gay" and "autistic" aren't necessarily offensive, but when used as insults, they are. Another example is "queer", which is often used as an insult (particularly when used as a noun), but has been reclaimed by many queer people.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against you and value your gaming input on these boards, so try for once not to perceive this as a personal attack or insult.
If someone says, you are *insert biologically/genitalia oriented sex identification here*, the person just has a different opinion than you and you have to accept it, s/he may also express the opinion, that you are delusional, it's everybodys right and it doesn't matter who is wrong. The person should likewise accept your opinion and may still do it even in spite of calling it bollocks. In fact you can often measure the overall tolerance of someone by looking at whether s/he has friends that don't share all his/her opinions.
I've encountered a lack of tolerance when it comes to this topic in you and it can be improved rather than calling out everyone who has a different opinion than you as whatever"phobic".
Different opinions alone are never "hate speech" and should never be treated as such.

For example: If someone says something like "autism doesn't exist", "black people are worthless", "small men and flat chested women should be sterilized", etc... I may get very annoyed, but all I can do is try to either communicate on the topic (maybe the choice of words was just very poor or it was a brain fart) or not, but I won't shut him/her up regardless of how "stupid" s/he does seem to be at this moment from a perspective that is not his/her own.

Imho, as long as an opinion is stated without appeals to violence or being overly rude, it can be about whatever and should never be thrown into this whole "hate speech" term which is just a tool for shutting up opposition by now anyway.

I'm tired of the overly authoritarian and intolerant stance that has gained so much popularity again lately especcially in circles who claim to be progressive while deep down being the exact opposite when it matters.
People like Bradley are the inevitable result of it and you certainly don't want that.
Post edited November 16, 2016 by Klumpen0815
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