agree 100%

Since we're all here......finally......

Unvote: docbear1975

Yes absolutely. Which is why I hate bookwyrm's play - it all but begs the tracker to track him and a sloppy tracker will jump right out and say so.

That's why I wanted to make it VERY clear in my post what I thought the nasty alternative was - it ends up with town having a converted now-cultist non-tracker, a possible false deprogrammer and a REAL deprogrammer that's in a terrible situation.

I don't like this one bit. Again, this lets a false deprogrammer give us a false target AND THEN WE LYNCH THAT TOWNIE FOR CULT. Meanwhile, the only thing for the real deprogrammer to do is to out himself which is a bad idea. AND this plan outs the tracker too.

I still like the idea of Bookwyrm calling out targets before the day ends.

That way, if Bookwyrm is a false deprogrammer, so what? All we have to do is hope the real deprogrammer eventually hits cult - when there's a night kill that wasn't Bookwyrm's "deprogrammer" target, we'll know Bookwyrm was lying. And the real deprogrammer or tracker didn't have to out themselves prematurely.

The only other way for there to be a night kill would be the vig - but the vig could just come out and say they did it the next day - who cares at that point right? They're just a normal townie.

Otherwise we can just take or leave what Bookwyrm says without outing our tracker or real deprogrammer. And if Bookwyrm IS the deprogrammer - awesome. Good deal.

I like JMich's basic plan. If Bookwyrm is the Cult Leader, then it's worth it for the Tracker to reveal because there will be no one else to track anyway. Cult Goons (or whatever they are called) don't visit anyone anyway.

And if he is the Deprogrammer, telling the Cult who he is investigating, would let the Cult know exactly who to avoid.

The biggest problem with his claim (if he is indeed the Deprogrammer) is that the Cult can wait to suicide him when they think they have enough converts to win. Not unstoppable, but we will need to lynch well.

I agree with you there.

I do follow it and find it somewhat tempting in theory, but find it reckless in application and don't really think it's a good idea in the long run at all.

I think we've just got to try and weed out the CL and cultists while protecting the PRs if we can and hoping they succeed in doing their thing.

I find it funny and curious how Bookwyrm claimed to be deprogrammer and just let the havoc and chaos and wild theories happen. If one is the deprogrammer, the most awesome role of a town, (s)he should act like it - in a town pro way, with own ideas, explanations and other bla blah blah blahs.

So first question we should ask ourselves, even if silently, is: why would deprogrammer-Bookwyrm reveal himself? How does this benefit town?

The tracker's thing is identifying the CL. The only other results they can get is if they follow the deprogrammer or the one-shot vigilante. Once the tracker has identified the CL, what else is there for them to do?

Why shouldn't they? Only way for them to die is for the CL to sacrifice themselves (or to get lynched). We should have a way of verifying whether wyrm is the deprogrammer or not (track and lynch), so we shouldn't have a reason to lynch wyrm without confirmation first.
So yes, boldly claiming to be the deprogrammer may be quite beneficial to town.

In the interim of finding the CL they clear townies of not being the CL. Valuable, imo.

Not that valuable imo, since they could still be cultists. So all we get is a "Not the CL, possibly still dangerous".
And to be able to clear someone, they will have to claim. If they claim before the CL is dead, then they will become useless, if they claim after the CL is dead, their reads may not be worth that much.

I see your point, have nothing to add or argue, so in that case:

GO, Bookwyrm! Deprogram those lunatic bastards!


And for the sake of the story, can't we just kill the "god"? CL's brain would explode on it's own after such an amazing event.

I doubt threatening the mod would reap satisfactory results. You can always try, though. Meat.

Can I be poultry??

I've always wanted to fly.

Not exactly.

If vigilante is converted on the same night of the one-shot, then they are "confirmed" town, yet actually cult.....useless, but still cult.


True.