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drealmer7: it has it's issues but makes up for them in great spirit
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tinyE: Is that two different colored eyes or is it missing an eye?
eye am not sure but I think it is missing an eye

so it is a single-laser-pointed mouse, top of the line

look how the contours shape to the hand, plus it is soft and adorable

cheap too!
Post edited January 25, 2016 by drealmer7
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Maighstir: The good thing is, unlike some mice that require switching batteries or putting in a dock to charge, it's got a micro-USB jack where the cable would protrude on a wired mouse so you can plug it in and use it as if it were a wired mouse until it's charged.
The G700 have that as well, it's quite the clever design. I see now how much G700 is based on the MX, only that the MX revolution has a far nicer texture where the thumb is likely rested, I remembering trying it at a store when it was new.

I forgot to recommend this one:
M570 Wireless Trackball. Not exactly suited for action games (with training perhaps that is still possible though) but you only use your thumb, no wrist straining.
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DalekSec: a good wireless mouse for gaming
By the way, do you have experience with a wireless mouse in gaming use?

I like my Logitech M325 and it is generally good for gaming, but I have to admit that the extra weight and bulkiness it gains from the battery and the extra electronics make it a bit worse for gaming than a wired mouse. A wired mouse just is lighter to move, so if I get serious in e.g. Team Fortress 2 (an online FPS game), I often decide to use a wired mouse instead for a bit more effortless gaming.

The wireless mouse is great for other reasons though, e.g. having my laptop connected to the TV, and using a wireless mouse and keyboard from the couch to play on the TV.
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timppu: Maybe he is referring to some software that allows extra buttons on the mouse, deciding what exactly those buttons do etc.? I presume that needs some kind of utility running in the background?
You don't need to have the Logitech Gaming Software running all the time. Logitech gaming mice come with integrated profiles and the buttons work without the software. You only have to start it when you want to assign new functions to the buttons.

And it doesn't do autoupdates anyway... I just hit the info button in my software. It is version number 8.57.145 and says "Copyright 2004-2014". The one from the Logitech website is 8.78.129 from Jan 11, 2016.
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Nirth: I forgot to recommend this one:
M570 Wireless Trackball. Not exactly suited for action games (with training perhaps that is still possible though) but you only use your thumb, no wrist straining.
I have that, but rarely use it as I found out that I can easily use a (wireless) mouse from the couch too, so I don't really need the trackball.

It is a pretty good trackball, but I just couldn't get used to it for high-speed FPS games and such. It is better than a trackpad (or a gamepad, for heaven's sake!), but not as good as a proper mouse. So, for me it is only for those rare cases that I really can't use a mouse comfortably, e.g. no even space at all to use a mouse.

What I like in it as a trackball is that it mimics a mouse in design, considering the mouse buttons, wheel etc. Most trackballs don't have similar design (but you move the trackpall with your "mouse button fingers), so to me the M570 feels closer to using a proper mouse, than other trackballs.
I love my G400S, but, wow, they went up in price! *pets mousey* - please live forever mr. mouse!


also - STOP WIRELESS TECH!

here's why
Post edited January 25, 2016 by drealmer7
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real.geizterfahr: You don't need to have the Logitech Gaming Software running all the time. Logitech gaming mice come with integrated profiles and the buttons work without the software. You only have to start it when you want to assign new functions to the buttons.
Ok good to know. Not sure why the OP felt Logitech mice come with some kind of forced autoupdate apps etc. My experience with them is similar to others: usually they work fully out of the box without any extra utilities etc., or if there is an utility (like the Unifier software which works for all my wireless Logitech products (mouse, trackball, keyboard)), it needs to be run only when you want to change something, not all the time.

This applies also to my Logitech F310 gamepad, I've never installed any extra software for it, it works out of the box (unless Windows itself goes to download some drivers for it when I connect it the first time).
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Strijkbout: I recommend this one, it has a build in handwarmer.
I'm afraid that isn't compatible with my webcam
https://flic.kr/p/DjJqfC
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Maighstir: I've been using the Logitech Performance Mouse MX for several years, and as far as I remember you should be able to run that without any extra software, just Windows getting the basic drivers from Windows Update (I'm currently on Linux and not looking to switch back anytime soon). The good thing is, unlike some mice that require switching batteries or putting in a dock to charge, it's got a micro-USB jack where the cable would protrude on a wired mouse so you can plug it in and use it as if it were a wired mouse until it's charged.

It does have four extra buttons, but I rarely think about them, and unless I remember wrongly, they all have default actions in Windows even without the software (back/forward in web browser/windows explorer, and a couple others).
Is precisely Windows Update the problem, it is the one that installed the Logitech autoupdater without permission and without any uninstall option, so all that I can made it's to manually disable the thing. Autoruns come handy for this. (this has been a year ago, I don't know is somewhat changed in this time).
Post edited January 25, 2016 by DalekSec
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Crosmando: You only need right/left click and scroll.
The two buttons for fordward and backward in explorers and web browsers are quite useful. And in FPS, they can be used for quick clicks too.
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DalekSec: Is precisely Windows Update the problem, it is the one that installed the Logitech autoupdater without permission and without any uninstall option, so all that I can made it's to manually disable the thing. Autoruns come handy for this. (this has been a year ago, I don't know is somewhat changed in this time).
Ouch, that never happened to me. Windows Update's driver finder should only get the basic drivers, not a shitton of annoying junk, I'm glad I jumped ship.
Post edited January 25, 2016 by Maighstir
One thing's for sure, you won't find a friend like Ben.
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drealmer7: it has it's issues but makes up for them in great spirit
I make the same joke before you and you get all the attention?
Oy. Everybody's a critic.
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drealmer7: it has it's issues but makes up for them in great spirit
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zeogold: I make the same joke before you and you get all the attention?
Oy. Everybody's a critic.
Did you read the 2nd (!) post?
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zeogold: I make the same joke before you and you get all the attention?
Oy. Everybody's a critic.
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ZFR: Did you read the 2nd (!) post?
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...dangit.
OP, Zowie AM is very good.

Razer Deathadder (I have a very old one from circa 2008?) is fine too