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djoxyk: are you people aware that google spies even on your steam market purchases and notes every trade you make in separate file?
I just went and requested full dump of my account, it's amazing how they use gmail letters to gather even my personal financial data. If you don't believe it - check for yourself - https://takeout.google.com/settings/takeout

request full backup of your account (or just Purchases - Reservations part) to see how much data have they gathered already.
Well thats was disappointing, absolutley zero information on my porn history, just what apps i use and movies i've got through the playstore, sigh, guess i'm not important enough to keep information on.
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DetouR6734: eh, Google saved us from M$ taking over the mobile phone market. They have also been rather innovative, i really like my Chromecast.

They can keep the information on what porn sites i visit.
Hey! I actually like Windows Mobile. No, not Windows Phone.
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DetouR6734: eh, Google saved us from M$ taking over the mobile phone market. They have also been rather innovative, i really like my Chromecast.

They can keep the information on what porn sites i visit.
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Maighstir: Hey! I actually like Windows Mobile. No, not Windows Phone.
you should print it and stand with the banner near their phone shop. make 'em starve without sales :)
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Maighstir: Hey! I actually like Windows Mobile. No, not Windows Phone.
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djoxyk: you should print it and stand with the banner near their phone shop. make 'em starve without sales :)
I mean, they already shut down all phone efforts, didn't they? They bought Nokia's phone division, and then went "meh, can't be bothered" after having it collect dust for a few months and shut it down, because no one liked Windows Phone.
Post edited July 16, 2019 by Maighstir
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StingingVelvet: I would certainly be for possibly curtailing some of those benefits if they keep restricting content. I don't think private entities should get ANY government assistance or breaks like that, honestly. I think that's more an argument for reigning in those policies than for controlling what Google allows on their platforms though.
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paladin181: Just like with Television stations in the US though, certain regulations need to be put in place once a platform reaches a certain ubiquity. I'm all about private entities and their rights, but once a private entity becomes the de facto communication of its type, it needs to have protections for its users to keep censorship from happening. Free speech in a private venue is not exactly protected. But when that private venue is essentially a public street (and reaches far more than any one public street) then the owner should not be allowed to remove speech.
That's a valid point. The problem is that the legislative process in all countries has been woefully inadequate for keeping up with advancements in technology as they have accelerated. The same situation is likely to play out with the wider adoption of autonomous vehicles... the legislation surrounding them will likely take years to catch up to the actual adoption rate.

It seems as though law makers really only get moving on this stuff once something lights a fire under them. For autonomous vehicles that would probably be something like a horrible accident. For social media as a communication channel it seems as though the catalyst will be national security concerns. The problem with security being the catalyst for legislation is that freedom of information won't necessarily be the highest priority.
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paladin181: Just like with Television stations in the US though, certain regulations need to be put in place once a platform reaches a certain ubiquity. I'm all about private entities and their rights, but once a private entity becomes the de facto communication of its type, it needs to have protections for its users to keep censorship from happening. Free speech in a private venue is not exactly protected. But when that private venue is essentially a public street (and reaches far more than any one public street) then the owner should not be allowed to remove speech.
Whilst I agree with your point of regulating mass media, I don't think they should be regulated to avoid censorship but to hold them accountable for the information which flows through their channels.

I know my opinion on the matter ins't a popular one but considering Youtube's algorithm favours outrage, controversies, viral videos, daily uploads, lengthy uploads, response videos amongst popular channels, etc. I think Youtube needs to censor itself, especially since they have such a massive potential influence over democratic processes no matter which side we're talking about. Youtube needs censorship because Youtube is designed to hook viewers up with an iron grip and that is much easily accomplished with emotion than with erudition. Youtube moneymakers know this and they shape their information accordingly, lest we forget the title of the video posted by the OP, "Google's Censorious Urges are Playing a VERY DANGEROUS Game" which is clickbaity and tendentious but it's great for views count standards.

Google, Facebook, etc. can't and should not allow everything on their platform, not because they're private ventures and can do with their platforms whatever they please, but because their immediacy, scale, popularity and design can be devastating if allowed to host and indirectly or directly promote certain types of harmful content. I know this one will come harshly but remember the Rwandan genocide? A local radio station played a major role on the massacre. Imagine what could happen today if globalised mass media platforms were not scrutinised and censored to a degree, what could happen if those 'digital streets' which are full and thrive on stupidity and ignorance (tide pod challenge anyone?) were let loose. The fact is that comparing them to a street is a false equivalence because on the streets there isn't the same degree of anonymity and there's also patrolling police, people on the street act more rationally and what they say has a limited reach.

Let's not kid ourselves, more often than not the debate on 'freedom of speech' is a euphemism for manipulation and control, not a quest for enlightenment.
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Punington: comparing them to a street is a false equivalence because on the streets there isn't the same degree of anonymity and there's also patrolling police, people on the street act more rationally and what they say has a limited reach.
Except you're wrong. When Antifa goes to the street and starts pushing people around cops don't do squat. There is a video on youtube about that. Oh, wait. Not anymore.
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paladin181: Just like with Television stations in the US though, certain regulations need to be put in place once a platform reaches a certain ubiquity. I'm all about private entities and their rights, but once a private entity becomes the de facto communication of its type, it needs to have protections for its users to keep censorship from happening. Free speech in a private venue is not exactly protected. But when that private venue is essentially a public street (and reaches far more than any one public street) then the owner should not be allowed to remove speech.
The government owns the broadcast lines or whatever those stations use, which is why they're regulated. So yeah, like I said above, if the government steps in and regulates the internet proper then you've got an argument. As of right now though there's no government ownership of Google, and Google isn't leasing the "internet lines," so it's not the same thing at all.
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StingingVelvet: if the government steps in and regulates the internet proper then you've got an argument. As of right now though there's no government ownership of Google
And what's the difference? In both cases we have a small group of people (government or Google directors board) who decide what other people say and see on the Internet.
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StingingVelvet: The government owns the broadcast lines or whatever those stations use, which is why they're regulated. So yeah, like I said above, if the government steps in and regulates the internet proper then you've got an argument. As of right now though there's no government ownership of Google, and Google isn't leasing the "internet lines," so it's not the same thing at all.
Well, they were temporarily with the Net Neutrality laws, and should be again.
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Punington: comparing them to a street is a false equivalence because on the streets there isn't the same degree of anonymity and there's also patrolling police, people on the street act more rationally and what they say has a limited reach.
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LootHunter: Except you're wrong. When Antifa goes to the street and starts pushing people around cops don't do squat. There is a video on youtube about that. Oh, wait. Not anymore.
You could say the same about the gun-nut who fired his weapon in the middle of a crowd, about 15 feet away from 3 cops, and they didn't even flinch.
Post edited July 17, 2019 by Plumb
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LootHunter: Except you're wrong. When Antifa goes to the street and starts pushing people around cops don't do squat. There is a video on youtube about that. Oh, wait. Not anymore.
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Plumb: You could say the same about the gun-nut who fired his weapon in the middle of a crowd, about 15 feet away from 3 cops, and they didn't even flinch.
Or that. This is exactly what happens when there is no rules and restrictions, or the ones who ought to enforce rules and restrictions don't do their job. People just become crazier and crazier - both on the net and on the streets.
Everyone knows Google is pro-Racism and pro-SJWs. This nothing new.
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darthspudius: They'll soon rebrand in a joint program with Facebook and Twitter called Big Brother. Just wait and see.
I'd rather they partner with Jim Morrison and call themselves Big Tobacco.

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GameRager: May very well? Talk about DOES......otherwise they'd be banning people from BOTH sides of the aisle at the same rate.

(Truth is without such sources, credible or no, we'd be in the dark on many things due to MSM refusing to cover them)

Also what good sources? MSM?

Bwahahahaha

Yup
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DadJoke007: Source criticism doesn't mean that you should refute news outlets you don't like, it's simply looking at what sources the news outlet has for its claim and think about whether it's feasible or not. That goes for both MSM and alternative media, a reliable source is a reliable source even if it's framed in opinions we don't agree with.

Not necessarily directing this at you GameRager since I don't know your thoughts on this. This topic just reminded me that there are tons of people who need to be reminded of what real source criticism is, for some reason people tend to forget that more and more.
The sources may be good but often MSM outlets bury their sources, hide them, etc and it's nearly impossible to check into them(if at all).

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djoxyk: are you people aware that google spies even on your steam market purchases and notes every trade you make in separate file?
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Dark_art_: This has been debated before, even on GOG!
Look how much garbage this forum loads, none actually needed for the forum core function.
What about the gog.com one? o.0

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djoxyk: are you people aware that google spies even on your steam market purchases and notes every trade you make in separate file?
I just went and requested full dump of my account, it's amazing how they use gmail letters to gather even my personal financial data. If you don't believe it - check for yourself - https://takeout.google.com/settings/takeout

request full backup of your account (or just Purchases - Reservations part) to see how much data have they gathered already.
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DetouR6734: Well thats was disappointing, absolutley zero information on my porn history, just what apps i use and movies i've got through the playstore, sigh, guess i'm not important enough to keep information on.
That's actually the alphabet agency's job. :\
Post edited July 17, 2019 by GameRager
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LootHunter: And what's the difference? In both cases we have a small group of people (government or Google directors board) who decide what other people say and see on the Internet.
The difference is Google's board run a private company and have the right to make those decisions. The government is completely unrelated, and should stay out of private business unless people are actually being harmed, which they of course are not.

It's a popular trend lately though to want nanny government to come in and stop people you disagree with, so the reaction to this surprises me not at all. I'm not gonna pretend I agree with it though.