“Star Wars for adults” huh? I'm not sure if' that's a good thing or not.

Well, it's not entirely unfair to call Star Wars "Dune for kids", Lucas did take a lot of inspiration from Dune after all in making a movie friendly for young audience, so I guess "Star Wars for adults" makes sense in a roundabout sort of way.

I sure do love Dune. Named my kid "Duncan". But you'll never make a quality Dune film. You'd need six hours of screen time and it would mostly be characters sitting around pontificating.

Well, that's why I think the mini series was good, didn't feel big budget but there was enough screen time to convey more story

Star Wars for adults? That´s the old trilogy before they jar jar binksed the whole Star Wars- universe. So, Paul Solo is going to fly the Millenium Falcon shooting sandworms in the face???

have you seen the duo miniseries (Alec Newman as Paul) ? must see, imo

*hands you my dvds if I could*

I did see them - they were ok. But only ok. Crazy Czechs.

Actually those films were for teenagers. Prequel trilogy was for young kids. And Disney trilogy - for idiots.
Unlikely, but there probably would be some jedi-bindu stuff.

While I hate Arrival, especially since every hipster praised it for being such a cerebral movie, comparing it to the works of Tarkovsky, I do think that the director did a good job, and it would be interesting to see his interpretation of Dune.

But, personally I can't see what a new adaptation could bring over the TV series, which I would go as far as call it perfect. I mean, sure a bigger budget would result in better costumes, better CGI, bigger action scenes, but the story is perfect in the books, and perfectly adapted in the TV series.

I'm not saying it's the only or even the main influence on Star Wars, but to say there's no Dune there is quite delusional. Not being the same medium is hardly relevant. You'd have to be wrong in the head to claim the Shadow had no influence on Batman, even though he only appeared in pulp novels and radio dramas before 1940.

You do realize that, from a critical perspective, that's a mistake on the same tier with Godwinning out of an argument, right? It's not just wrong, it's amusingly wrong. But we're all friends here ^_^

I'm sticking with my guns, so far. I think the only Dune in Star Wars is coincidental. The moisture farms only look like Dune if you don't know who Jules Verne was, if you don't know that industrial-sized atmospheric condensers were a real thing in the late 1800s. And I've heard a dozen times that the Jedi are just Bene Gesserit with wangs but boy, if you think Herbert stitched the Bene Gesserit from whole cloth you're new to these parts indeed. If you're going to be an influence homeopath I'm sure you can find a few parts per million of Dune in your Star Wars solvent - it's surely there. I'm no Star Wars scholar, maybe there's interviews with Lucas where he talks about Dune's influence. But I haven't seen 'em and Google doesn't find any for me. I'd talk about Asimov, Doc Smith, and real-world legend long before I mentioned Dune. Heck, there's more Tolkien in Star Wars than there is Herbert.

I make no claim to knowledge of The Shadows influence on Batman. You'd have to ask Bob Kane and Bill Finger, and they're dead. So who knows what ideas dwelt in the minds of those men? I'm sure someone knows. . .

Shrug. You're to focused on being right to be reasonable. I mean, first you say that "they're not even in the same medium" and then you yourself talk about Asimov's influence on Star Wars. Fuck logic.

The Google knows!

In The Steranko History of Comics, Finger admits, “My first [Batman] script was a take-off on a Shadow story."

Just because there's something even earlier that influenced a work, that doesn't mean that work didn't in turn influence others. You might just as well claim Tolkien's books had no influence on fantasy literature, movies and games, since his books were influenced by earlier works and various myths.

And finally, even if we were to agree that Dune did not influence Star Wars, the "accidental" similarities are still numerous enough to warrant the comparison made by Villeneuve.

Well if we're being reasonable you should note that my mention of them being different mediums was in complaining that you would call Star Wars "Dune for kids". That's not the same thing as taking influence from a thing. Want me to show you the actual logic operators for that argument? I'm sure they're in Unicode somewhere.

Indeed, Herbert (and some peers, iirc) made a list of all the similarities - dozens, there were. I feel like you only wrote those two paragraphs because you missed my Joseph Campbell reference earlier. I'm in your corner here; there's nothing new under the sun.

Now if we're talking undue influence, I'm nominating Holst's The Planets influence on the Star Wars score. John Williams did to that what Vanilla Ice would do to Under Pressure about a decade later =D

I didn't call it that I said "it's not entirely unfair" to call it that. As in, that's not a description I would give, but I can see some merit in that claim. I'm not saying Star Wars is a childish rip-off of Dune. But it does share certain elements and can easily serve (and in fact did for a great many people) as a kid friendly introduction to space opera.

No, rest I assured I got you refrence. The whole time you seem to be more concerned with sounding very smart than making sense :D

I wrote those two paragraphs because you implied that Dune having been influenced by earlier works somehow invalidated it's influence on others.