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LegoDnD: Adaption value aside, it's a violent sci-fi/western. If you ever wanted Mad Max to visit a 50's nostalgia cafe, it's the show for you.
I don't really have a preference on setting, like whether it is scifi or western or 50s setting. More important is how intriguing the story is, if it has interesting characters, good dialogue, dark humor etc.

For instance, a bowling movie set into 90s? Sounds boring... but I absolutely adore The Big Lebowski.

Or a movie about a robotic cop? Sounds stupid, like some silly 80s TV-series to kids. Yet, Robocop rocks.

Or a movie about some weird dystopian bureaucratic society where a civil servant dreams of a better life? Boooriiing... but Brazil is probably the best movie I've ever seen.

Or two hustlers try to swindle a mafia boss? Sounds cliched and stupid... yet The Sting is also one of the best movies I've ever seen.
Post edited April 21, 2024 by timppu
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timppu: For instance, a bowling movie set into 90s? Sounds boring... but I absolutely adore The Big Lebowski.
A movie about bowling probably would be boring - no matter the decade it's set in.
Thing is: The Big Lebowski is not a movie about bowling.

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timppu: Or a movie about a robotic cop? Sounds stupid, like some silly 80s TV-series to kids. Yet, Robocop rocks.
Yeah, imagine, an 80s movie for adults (which had to be massively cut, to get a "R"-rating for its theatrical release) is more entertaining for adults, than an 80s TV show for kids ever could be.
Mind you: the "stupid and silly" sounding narrative is still the same.

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timppu: Or a movie about some weird dystopian bureaucratic society where a civil servant dreams of a better life? Boooriiing... but Brazil is probably the best movie I've ever seen.

Or two hustlers try to swindle a mafia boss? Sounds cliched and stupid... yet The Sting is also one of the best movies I've ever seen.
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More important is how intriguing the story is
And yet: apparently you watched all the movies mentioned above - despite their silly and/or boring sounding premisses...

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BreOl72: And yet: apparently you watched all the movies mentioned above - despite their silly and/or boring sounding premisses...
The point was that the premise is irrelevant. For instance, whether it is a western or a scifi movie, I could still hate it, love it or be totally indifferent about it. It is the story, characters etc. that make or break the movie (or TV series) for me, not the premise.
Post edited April 23, 2024 by timppu
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BreOl72: And yet: apparently you watched all the movies mentioned above - despite their silly and/or boring sounding premisses...
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timppu: The point was that the premise is irrelevant. For instance, whether it is a western or a scifi movie, I could still hate it, love it or be totally indifferent about it.
You keep talking as if "setting", "premise" and now "genre" were all the same thing, and not three different things.
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Breja: You keep talking as if "setting", "premise" and now "genre" were all the same thing, and not three different things.
Wouldn't setting be location and/or date and/or level of technology? (Example, 1900's Midwest)
Premise is a rough sketch of plot (Bank robbery gone wrong, survival, redemption)
And genre encompasses a lot specific elements? (Western: Cowboys & Indians, horses and pistols, large hats, cows, and Clint Eastwood or John Wayne).
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Breja: You keep talking as if "setting", "premise" and now "genre" were all the same thing, and not three different things.
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rtcvb32: Wouldn't setting be location and/or date and/or level of technology? (Example, 1900's Midwest)
Premise is a rough sketch of plot (Bank robbery gone wrong, survival, redemption)
And genre encompasses a lot specific elements? (Western: Cowboys & Indians, horses and pistols, large hats, cows, and Clint Eastwood or John Wayne).
yes, setting is time/place, premise is the central concept of a story told very briefly and conciely.

Genre, however is a very nebulous term that depends on how you use it. it comes from Aristole who tried to classify types of stories, and the the name basicly means "type of", it has the same root as the word genus in biological taxonomy (which is also very difficult to nail down). it is often used as a synonym for "style", so "in the style of". The problem is that genre is used very differently depending on how you classify the material - yes, a western is a genre, so is sci-fi. But used just like this, then genre becomes very close to setting. However, other genres could be for example comedy, horror, romance. So you can have a westen-horroror westrn-comedy, classifed based on both setting and content. You can have granular genres, for example 50's western or spaghetti western - both are westerns, but formalistic they are very different. or you can have genre based on audiences, a childrens western, a teen western, a adult western and so on. Genre is not a clear concept
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timppu: The point was that the premise is irrelevant. For instance, whether it is a western or a scifi movie, I could still hate it, love it or be totally indifferent about it.
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Breja: You keep talking as if "setting", "premise" and now "genre" were all the same thing, and not three different things.
All equally irrelevant to whether I will like the movie/TV series or not.
Post edited April 23, 2024 by timppu
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maxleod: I haven't read the 10 pages of this thread, so what's the verdict? Is it worth watching?
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idbeholdME: Depends. I personally give it 6/10 (decided to be very generous and not go 5/10). Mostly because it's better than the majority of stuff pumped out these days (which is why I think it seems to be getting lauded everywhere with 9s and 10s, but it is above average at best), especially for a game adaptation. But the show does have its issues and is VERY far from perfect. You're gonna have to try a couple episodes to see if you can get into the vibe.

Maybe add 0.5 or 1 point, if you can detach the show from the games in your mind. Treating it as "just a show" instead of the 100% canon thing they are trying to push it as helps a lot.
Yup.
I said before that I liked it, but I must recognize its a 'dumb' show.
Its fun for the game references and all (soundtrack if you like them, game sounds, game themes..), but Im not expecting anything New Vegas level of existential phylosophy. (Well lets see on Season 2..)

Though Im really expecting they give Ghoul a good character arc.
After the show stablished Ghoul's past and future, If I keep watching it on Season 2, it will mostly (or maybe only) because of his character, as it was in first season.

Not because Max or Lucy are not good characters necessarily, but because Ghoul's past and present search makes him a good and complex character to root for in my opinion.
I think Max was badly written, and Lucy feels weird sometimes, though she played well the 'naive vault dweller coming out to the real world' and that was nice initially
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rtcvb32: The great Fallout Debate. Or more just discussing the goods and bads of the show.

Includes: Critical Drinker, MauLer, Nerderotic, Reaper, and Lance Steen Anthony Nielsen.

You'd be surprised of my tolerance of retardation - The Critical Drinker

Anyways, listening to them talking about it, it sounds like there's a lot of plot holes and issues with stupid writing.
Also, a Plus for Critical Drinker's honesty on letting MauLer and Reaper give opinions contrary to his after he posted his first impressions video. MauLer gives some good points when critizing the show.
Post edited April 25, 2024 by .Keys
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rtcvb32: The great Fallout Debate. Or more just discussing the goods and bads of the show.
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.Keys: Also, a Plus for Critical Drinker's honesty on letting MauLer and Reaper give opinions contrary to his after he posted his first impressions video. MauLer gives some good points when criticizing the show.
Critical drinker i think has such a low bar after so many bad movies from Hollywood and in general, that if it at least tries then it may be worth watching. And again if you can just turn your brain off, maybe it's good watching.

I'd need a little higher than his bar though. I don't think i can turn my brain off and when really really stupid things happen and really really big inconsistency between two scenes, or 'this happens so the plot can go on' really irks me, and if person didn't do oblivious stupid thing and screw things up then the movie/scenes wouldn't happen in the first place.

Guess that means I've gotten pickier as my age progresses.
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rtcvb32: Guess that means I've gotten pickier as my age progresses.
Dont we all.
Reaper's video and review of the Fallout TV series... very unflattering. Sounds like we don't have anyone competent in Hollywood anymore.
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Post edited April 26, 2024 by rtcvb32
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rtcvb32: Reaper's video and review of the Fallout TV series... very unflattering. Sounds like we don't have anyone competent in Hollywood anymore.
Anything particularly special about this reviewer?
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rtcvb32: Reaper's video and review of the Fallout TV series... very unflattering. Sounds like we don't have anyone competent in Hollywood anymore.
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Mafwek: Anything particularly special about this reviewer?
Off hand, not specifically; Reaper is one of the debaters with The Critical Drinker a few days ago; If i hadn't watched the debate (or not recognized his voice from that debate), i probably wouldn't have given it much attention; Except that it just showed up on my feed. Maybe i should start watching out for his content now.

If it helps any almost everything he talks about in regards to nitpicks he shows on screen. He breaks down everything that doesn't make sense, including the whole plot of season 1.
Apparently, Chris Avellone's opinion is that show's lore is hot mess. If that's his harshest critique, then it's not so bad:D
Considering:

- Its a tv show spawned from a computer game francise. An especially intelligent francise, with deep lore, but still.

- Its on Amazon Prime, who are known to be especially bonkers about their political ideology.

Its really not as awful as one could expect.

For example, Lord of the Rings has an even much deeper lore than Fallout. And boy did it get godawful stinking piles of absolutely nonsenical crap tv shows recently.