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Its only worth is to publishers to point out why getting out of retail because of low sales is a good idea.

That the root of the problem is self fabricated by them does not get discussed in the upper levels.

If a game requires to be downloaded regardless of what the disk contains there should be a law requiring the retail versions of it looking like that: http://www.lgblog.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Google-Play-Gift-Card.jpg

Would not make a practical difference for the gamer, is a more honest representations of its retail value, has by far less impact on the environment since far less trash, stores can hold a much, much bigger stock of digital game cards and ppl looking for traditional retail games can much faster filter out the traps from the good ones.
Post edited October 24, 2015 by anothername
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vemin: Anything infected with steam is worthless without internet connection.
Whats the point to have all data on disk anyway? its not drm-free. it doesnt have some old-school on-disc drm so its worthless without internet. - basically its just a way to save a little(or not, depends on your isp/country) bandwidth. the real "disks" of steam games are called torrents nowadays, but I prefer ignoring drm'ed products...
They probably sell physical copies of Steam games to deceive ignorant people into creating Steam accounts. For example, someone who is not a gamer walks into a store and sees a Steam video game package on a store shelf that looks interesting. He buys the Steam game, thinking he can just install the game from the disc like with his last non Steam game, purchased around 10 years ago. When he is home, he finds out, he needs a Steam account to install the game. Because the Steam game's package was opened, he can't return the Steam game. So he has two options now. Throw the Steam game into the trash or create an account and get something for his money.
Post edited October 24, 2015 by monkeydelarge
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vemin: Anything infected with steam is worthless without internet connection.
Whats the point to have all data on disk anyway? its not drm-free. it doesnt have some old-school on-disc drm so its worthless without internet. - basically its just a way to save a little(or not, depends on your isp/country) bandwidth. the real "disks" of steam games are called torrents nowadays, but I prefer ignoring drm'ed products...
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monkeydelarge: They probably sell physical copies of Steam games to deceive people into creating Steam accounts.
what happens if the Witcher 3 made people make GOG accounts?
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monkeydelarge: They probably sell physical copies of Steam games to deceive people into creating Steam accounts.
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darthspudius: what happens if the Witcher 3 made people make GOG accounts?
If physical copies of the Witcher 3 requires people to create GOG accounts to install the game then this was probably done to deceive ignorant people.
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darthspudius: what happens if the Witcher 3 made people make GOG accounts?
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monkeydelarge: If physical copies of the Witcher 3 requires people to create GOG accounts to install the game then this was probably done to deceive ignorant people.
Why do they have to ignorant?
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monkeydelarge: If physical copies of the Witcher 3 requires people to create GOG accounts to install the game then this was probably done to deceive ignorant people.
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darthspudius: Why do they have to ignorant?
If you buy a Steam game thinking you can just install the Steam game from the disc and play, you are ignorant.
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darthspudius: Why do they have to ignorant?
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monkeydelarge: If you buy a Steam game thinking you can just install the Steam game from the disc and play, you are ignorant.
I hate to tell you this you twit, but there are games out there that do that. My disc copy of Saints Row 2 installs the entire game to the HDD before downloading any patches.

Maybe you shouldn't be so ignorant yourself.
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vemin: Anything infected with steam is worthless without internet connection.
Whats the point to have all data on disk anyway? its not drm-free. it doesnt have some old-school on-disc drm so its worthless without internet. - basically its just a way to save a little(or not, depends on your isp/country) bandwidth. the real "disks" of steam games are called torrents nowadays, but I prefer ignoring drm'ed products...
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monkeydelarge: They probably sell physical copies of Steam games to deceive ignorant people into creating Steam accounts. For example, someone who is not a gamer walks into a store and sees a Steam video game package on a store shelf that looks interesting. He buys the Steam game, thinking he can just install the game from the disc like with his last non Steam game, purchased around 10 years ago. When he is home, he finds out, he needs a Steam account to install the game. Because the Steam game's package was opened, he can't return the Steam game. So he has two options now. Throw the Steam game into the trash or create an account and get something for his money.
Lets hope they do not get fooled twice ;)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R32PUM61776DRH/ref=cm_cr_pr_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B0065NP39E
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monkeydelarge: If you buy a Steam game thinking you can just install the Steam game from the disc and play, you are ignorant.
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darthspudius: I hate to tell you this you twit, but there are games out there that do that. My disc copy of Saints Row 2 installs the entire game to the HDD before downloading any patches.

Maybe you shouldn't be so ignorant yourself.
There is no reason to respond to me like a stupid asshat. I did not attack you first or say anything else that would justify your response. There is nothing wrong with being ignorant. We are all ignorant when it comes to some things. If a Steam game lets you install the entire game from the disc and play without Steam, that is not normal. Steam games usually require a Steam account to install and play. If someone doesn't know this, he or she is ignorant.
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Post edited October 24, 2015 by monkeydelarge
whats the point of buying disc anymore, the same goes for console games too
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monkeydelarge: They probably sell physical copies of Steam games to deceive ignorant people into creating Steam accounts. For example, someone who is not a gamer walks into a store and sees a Steam video game package on a store shelf that looks interesting. He buys the Steam game, thinking he can just install the game from the disc like with his last non Steam game, purchased around 10 years ago. When he is home, he finds out, he needs a Steam account to install the game. Because the Steam game's package was opened, he can't return the Steam game. So he has two options now. Throw the Steam game into the trash or create an account and get something for his money.
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anothername: Lets hope they do not get fooled twice ;)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R32PUM61776DRH/ref=cm_cr_pr_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B0065NP39E
Yep. Some people are ignorant when it comes to PC games. Maybe they stopped being gamers before Steam and then decided recently, to become gamers again.
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vemin: Anything infected with steam is worthless without internet connection.
Whats the point to have all data on disk anyway? its not drm-free. it doesnt have some old-school on-disc drm so its worthless without internet. - basically its just a way to save a little(or not, depends on your isp/country) bandwidth. the real "disks" of steam games are called torrents nowadays, but I prefer ignoring drm'ed products...
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monkeydelarge: They probably sell physical copies of Steam games to deceive ignorant people into creating Steam accounts. For example, someone who is not a gamer walks into a store and sees a Steam video game package on a store shelf that looks interesting. He buys the Steam game, thinking he can just install the game from the disc like with his last non Steam game, purchased around 10 years ago. When he is home, he finds out, he needs a Steam account to install the game. Because the Steam game's package was opened, he can't return the Steam game. So he has two options now. Throw the Steam game into the trash or create an account and get something for his money.
this here strategy is one I utterly despise

I remember the last time I was in Walmart with my older brother & we were looking at the PC games. I was pointing out to him all the games that were basically off-limits to me because I don't live in town. & it's not like I was going take the game out of state much less leave the US with it. but yet with the boxes right there they might as had a $1000 price sticker on the lot of them
thats steam fault - it makes you all angry! so you insult each other!~
becalm brothers! this is non-steam territory!
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Gnostic: 128 Kbps? How long did it take you to finish your witcher 3 download?
Some things are better left unknown... you might remain psychologically scarred if you knew! :P
Jokes aside, since I couldn't keep the computer on for all day (I prefer to switch everything off if nobody is at home, especially when it's summer and there is a storm each day) and that I had to pause any download if I wanted to browse, I waited for weeks, including the preload period.
The lines had serious problems (my area still uses 50 year-old twin copper cables, never changed since they were placed) that needed months to be solved, mostly because mine is not an economically relevant zone so nobody wants to spend a cent. Now they are solved, but I'm still very lucky if my downloads can surpass 400kbps. A friend of mine living not very far never surpassed 200.
Post edited October 24, 2015 by Enebias
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djranis: whats the point of buying disc anymore, the same goes for console games too
Oh, I have to repeat what was said here again it seems.

Not every gamer has access to blazing internet; either because the internet is simply too expensive or unavailable for their location. Even then, I as a gamer want to see the box itself, along with the manuals and extras, and of course the disc itself. To complete this nice package, the game installer has to be on the disc and the disc should be playable offline.

The value of a physical disc along with its box, and the ability to play the game offline, is one of the main reasons why discs have a point to exist no matter who says what about digital distribution. However, when the discs have a big chunk of data missing, and requires you to install Steam or Origin or whatever, I don't see the point in buying the disc. When they don't require that, I see the point.

And console games are another breed of discs :) You buy the game on the disc, well its yours. All of it. You can then give it to a friend, sell it, dispose it, do whatever you wish.