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General discussionFallout 4 paid mods nonsense again from Bethesda?(75 posts)(75 posts)
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Posted November 12, 2015
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Kardwill: - Mods reusing or copying assets from other games and media are generally not a problem, since they're free, amateur stuff. HBO and GRR Martin probably won't shoot you down because you made some obscure "Games of Throne" mod for Crusader Kings 2. But if you start making money on their licensed material, they will (and should) take notice, and act.
Curation fixes that, as well as the option for DMCA takedowns. YouTube comes to mind for how this is handled publicly, and Counter Strike Global Offensive for how it's handled under a curated system. Since the devs/publishers get a cut they'll have to use some of that to hire a team to manage this all.

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Kardwill: - Some mods use other mods and build upon them. How do you manage who gets how much money? Especially if some of those mods are free, and other are paid? That could create some real tensions in the modding community, real quick.
Mods have normally been under open licenses with rights to the creators, but it's up to the creators to define the do's and don'ts and to the game/platform companies to enforce it. I would imagine that "can require my mod" with a "no right to redistribute my mod" would work fine though in the majority of cases.

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Kardwill: - I've got no problem with mods that don't work properly on my computer... Which means they will have to WORK on those mod's compatibility with systems, the way they interact with other mods and DLC, their support for the main game's updates... the "finish" of their product (because it will be a professional, paid for product, and not some amateur freebie anymore). They won't be able to simply create content, release it "as is", and then do something else.
I agree. I think something like Steam Refunds would be completely applicable here. I mean, what's to stop someone from loading in a virus anyway and sabotage your entire installation/OS? There has to be some level of competency, curation, and trust between users, modders, and the companies from the supported platforms. Otherwise it would be hell even with the current Nexus and Steam Workshop with free mods.

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Kardwill: So basically, paid mods become DLC for all intent and purpose, legally and in a quality expectation sense. I don't think most modders are ready to jump into that piranha pool.
Current modders probably wouldn't. But everyone else wants free money and will make any nonsense to get it. "Single blade of grass DLC" for example for $0.01 as a joke would probably become the top paid mod of the month/year and make it across all of the redditard pages as a headliner. I think that will be the biggest hurdle to get over.

But imo the biggest legal hoop was already passed. The "can I modify the existing assets in this game, while adding my own if I want to, and profit off of it?" one. After that it's just how they manage the workshop. I'm thinking they're going to pull an Amazon and let the people figure it out. Messy but possibly effective since their reaction time will be high while it's new and volatile. It's not going to please everyone but as long as they can get it working then it'll take off on its own after a while. Then we wait for the damage or glorious blades of grass. :P
Posted November 12, 2015
Will be interesting to see how it plays out when a paid mod is found to have someone's free mod embedded in it - and the free mod author never gave permission to use it (or explicitly denied permission to paid-mod authors in their 'readme'). Particularly if the paid mod won't even work without the free mod.

And especially if it took awhile to be noticed and the paid mod has already sold a bunch of units.

Might make for a nice 'community divisor'. Could be a S.P.E.C.I.A.L. S.N.A.F.U.
Posted November 12, 2015
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Mr. D™: Current user score for Fallout 4 on Metacritic is 4.8 xD

Finally I`m having at least a little bit of fun with the game lol
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Niggles: Several things to bear in mind.

Critics ARE paid reviewers - they would not have necessarily paid for the game with their own money (be surprised if they had to for the review) - so they arguably are biased to start off with (two scored the game 100 - ludicrous)- all the reviews ive seem say pretty much the same thing - very little negativity in any review which is kind of hard to believe.

Other thing is the mix of user scores
Positive: 262 out of 818
Mixed: 76 out of 818
Negative: 480

That's for the PC. Cant be just the consolefied UI & bugs that makes people dislike the game.
Apparently (according to some people on /r/gaming) 4chan users have been creating threads in an attempt to spark a brigade on the user reviews for the game, so I'd take the numbers with a pinch of salt.

Actually, just disregard review scores as a whole(user & critic), because they're inevitably bull.
Post edited November 12, 2015 by staticblast
Posted November 12, 2015
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Mr. D™: Current user score for Fallout 4 on Metacritic is 4.8 xD
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Pheace: Going to assume this is because of the console issues or some other ethics complaint. We've both been playing the game since launch on our PC's and we're having a blast, and it's probably the most stable Fallout I've played in decades, haven't had a crash yet and no significant bugs either. (the odd twitching corpse and bad pathing, but it's fallout :p)
Nope, those are technical issues, and technical issues are always secondary when it comes to rpg`s. Stop assuming and goddam read some of the yellow and red userreviews.
What they are freaking about, and I have the same issues with the game, is the stripped rpg system, leaving only a casual shooter mechanic.
And the mainstory and onedimensional npc`s are abyssal. And I liked all previous fallout storylines, but this reminds me of "Emergency Room" or "Greys Anatomy"
Posted November 12, 2015
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Pheace: Guessing this is the OP or his friend. Posted around the same time and a similarly baffling lack of understanding of the Season pass concept

http://steamcommunity.com/app/377160/discussions/0/496881136900496414/

WTF one SPECIAL price means ?
WTF does one SPECIAL PRICES MEANS IN TEH SEASON PASS ?
Does it mean that you pay 30 bucks for the pass and pay again for the dlc's in it ?
WTF this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ?
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Pheace:
Funny how your try to defame me is based on false assumptions and your own arrogance. My Steam name is 100% identical to my GOG name, so why don`t you take your false claims, put them where the sun does not shine and leave this thread?
Post edited November 12, 2015 by Mr. D™
Posted November 12, 2015
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micktiegs_8: Would you be comfortable with someone saying they think the game is bad 'for them'?
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edit: I realise my comment has nothing to do with paid mods haha!
I have no problem with someone disliking the game. And don't worry, as this thread wasn't made because of potential paid mods in the first place...

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Mr. D™: Current user score for Fallout 4 on Metacritic is 4.8 xD

Finally I`m having at least a little bit of fun with the game lol
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Mr. D™: Nope, those are technical issues, and technical issues are always secondary when it comes to rpg`s. Stop assuming and goddam read some of the yellow and red userreviews.
What they are freaking about, and I have the same issues with the game, is the stripped rpg system, leaving only a casual shooter mechanic.
And the mainstory and onedimensional npc`s are abyssal. And I liked all previous fallout storylines, but this reminds me of "Emergency Room" or "Greys Anatomy"
Why should I read extremely biased (bothsides, positive or negative ones) Metacritic user reviews? I'll rather rely on reviews that at least try to be objective.

Elder-Geek youtube review - takes one minute of your life to come up with this:
Finished after over 60 hours, different decisions, alternate ways to play, totally different quests except the introductory played, different character builds.
..... sounds like a totally fucked up COD wannabe with little to none RPG left inside Fallout..... not.

So after your last few posts, you still gonna claim that you made this thread because you "suspected" paid mods for F4? Or did you just wanted your own thread to lash out at Bethesda because you don't like the game?
Posted November 12, 2015
Reviews are junk no matter what, whether it's from a publication or user. Most of the metacritic reviews are either fanboys that think Bethesda (and/or Fallout) can do no wrong or your typical NMA variety post which thinks anything Fallout related that wasn't created 15+ years ago is garbage. People are conditioned to not like Bethesda for any number of reasons. Doesn't mean the games they make are not fun.
Posted November 12, 2015
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Mr. D™: Current user score for Fallout 4 on Metacritic is 4.8 xD

Finally I`m having at least a little bit of fun with the game lol
That's just more evidence to not listen to or read any user reviews on games anymore.

Years of the "Angry Game Reviewer" Youtube celebrities have created a completely hostile and negative consumer environment. Literally every big release these days is picked apart by Yathzee or Jim Sterling wannabes who hunt for the smallest flaw and bomb the review when they find it like they've just accomplished something meaningful.

Honestly, no big budget AAA release is going to live up to the hype anymore, so don't bother expecting it. Just enjoy games and have fun where you can. That's really the best way to go about it
Post edited November 12, 2015 by TheTome56
Posted November 12, 2015
@Siannah

Ok I`m really getting tired of people telling me how biased opinions are. Why don`t you start with games media? They pretend, other than user reviews, that they are not biased. And of course by far not all gamers that write down their opinion are as eloquent or reflective in expressing their opinion as those games journalist, but so what? At least the majority is not getting paid for writing bullshit other than games magazines that rely on add revenues. If I can find 2-3 reasonable opinions among them whom I can relate to, that`s far more worth than 10 paid reviews of game critics or game bloggers.
And instead of just blaming those people for being unhappy with the product they`ve bought, you could instead understand that they would be far less upset about Fallout 4 when the games media would not have praised the game over the top, and the actual product not matching that description.

When I started this thread, I was about 12 hours into the game and as said my guts told me it would not be the best entry of the franchise, but modders will hopefully fix it..
So my main concern was, would Bethesda start another try to scam the modder scene as they tried before?

While I continued simultaneously to post here and to play the game, I have to admit that my hopes were dwindling. And I don`t mind the graphics, sure they are not up to notch but I don`t care. And the bugs, crashes and glitches are annoying but I think most of them will be fixed in time by Bethesda or modders.
What I saw as minor flaws in the beginning like the dialog system and the cut down rpg system or the awkwardly bad main plot after 23 hours of gameplay is something that really gives me not that much joy or hope. In fact I stopped playing yesterday after I refused to continue the main plot for being so godawful and later on recognized that the settlement building stuff started to feel like work for me, and the perspective to raise even more settlements made me sigh.

And honestly do you think I would critic, argue or discuss about a game or franchise I don`t like or care about?
There are franchises I think are a piece of shit, but you`ll never see me writing about them.

And what really blows my mind that after you lumped together all user reviews an Metacritic, because duh:
blaming me for making fun about a game (low metacritic) I`m having trouble to enjoy and am concerned it could not be fixed, you finally step in to defend poor Bethesda. Thank god for that.
Post edited November 13, 2015 by Mr. D™
Posted November 12, 2015
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Mr. D™: Ok I`m really getting tired of people telling me how biased opinions are. Why don`t you start with games media? They pretend, other than user reviews, that they are not biased. And of course by far not all gamers that write down their opinion are as eloquent or reflective in expressing their opinion as those games journalist, but so what? At least the majority is not getting paid for writing bullshit other than games magazines that rely on add revenues. If I can find 2-3 reasonable opinions among them whom I can relate to, that`s far more worth than 10 paid reviews of game critics or game bloggers.
I disagree. Yes they don't get paid for writing bullshit, they write bullshit for free in an attempt to a) either hurt the devs because of a variety of reasons or b) praise it to the skies because they are fanboys.
And no I don't buy the Gamersgate crap that they all are corrupt and not to be trusted at all. Yes I do believe that the gaming community has (for the vast majority) lost any credibility and objectivity.

If you see that different, by all means: go for it. I'm not holding you back or telling you how you should form your opinion - but I DO expect that you return that favor.

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Mr. D™: And what really blows my mind that after you lumped together all user revies an Metacritic, because duh, and blaming me for making fun about a game (low metacritic) I`m having trouble to enjoy and am concerned it could not be fixed, you finally step in to defend poor Bethesda. Thank god for that.
I'm not defending Bethesda. I haven't claimed anywhere, that the game is good or great nor do I blame anyone for being unhappy with the game or disliking it for whatever reason - not once.
What I do reject is stuff like "casual CoD shooter with no RPG left in it" which simply can't hold up even a bit against facts.

When you now come up with a thread about paid mods potentially coming back, based on the suspicion of some other guy on the Net which is based on "...get the Fallout 4 season pass and get all Fallout 4 DLC for one S.P.E.C.I.A.L. price. ", then I do have a problem taking it serious. Simple reason being, that you're lacking anything that comes even close to a "fact" or "objectivity", even if you try reading between the line(s).

If the same threadstarter then continues to bash the game, for whatever reason, justified or not, then yes I do get the impression that this might have been the goal all along and can't exclude mischievous intention.
Post edited November 12, 2015 by Siannah
Posted November 12, 2015
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Siannah: snip

If the same threadstarter then continues to bash the game, for whatever reason, justified or not, then yes I do get the impression that this might have been the goal all along and can't exclude mischievous intention.
You know the saying about attributing to malice what can be better explained otherwise though? A tad more charity would serve everyone well IMO.

Based on past experience, it's not conscious on his part. Bias gets all of us, and a relatively passive way of expressing dislike / distrust / suspicion can morph into another more actively agressive approach very easily.

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Mr. D™: Ok I`m really getting tired of people telling me how biased opinions are. Why don`t you start with games media? They pretend, other than user reviews, that they are not biased. ... At least the majority is not getting paid for writing bullshit other than games magazines that rely on add revenues. ...

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So my main concern was, would Bethesda start another try to scam the modder scene as they tried before?

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I find it funny you almost sound like a [censored: trigger word] there. :) Try to say this loud: [censored: hate speech] in gaming journalism! Reject the rejection of [censored: taboo word]!

Anyway, joking aside... care to elaborate what constituted a scam in any actions Bethesda tried in the past? Who was being deprived of their legitimate property through deceit on Bethesda's side?
Posted November 12, 2015
All this thread to say that Bethesda make crap games from the time of Terminator: rampage.
Posted November 13, 2015
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Mr. D™: @Siannah

Ok I`m really getting tired of people telling me how biased opinions are. Why don`t you start with games media? They pretend, other than user reviews, that they are not biased. And of course by far not all gamers that write down their opinion are as eloquent or reflective in expressing their opinion as those games journalist, but so what? At least the majority is not getting paid for writing bullshit other than games magazines that rely on add revenues. If I can find 2-3 reasonable opinions among them whom I can relate to, that`s far more worth than 10 paid reviews of game critics or game bloggers.
And instead of just blaming those people for being unhappy with the product they`ve bought, you could instead understand that they would be far less upset about Fallout 4 when the games media would not have praised the game over the top, and the actual product not matching that description.

When I started this thread, I was about 12 hours into the game and as said my guts told me it would not be the best entry of the franchise, but modders will hopefully fix it..
So my main concern was, would Bethesda start another try to scam the modder scene as they tried before?

While I continued simultaneously to post here and to play the game, I have to admit that my hopes were dwindling. And I don`t mind the graphics, sure they are not up to notch but I don`t care. And the bugs, crashes and glitches are annoying but I think most of them will be fixed in time by Bethesda or modders.
What I saw as minor flaws in the beginning like the dialog system and the cut down rpg system or the awkwardly bad main plot after 23 hours of gameplay is something that really gives me not that much joy or hope. In fact I stopped playing yesterday after I refused to continue the main plot for being so godawful and later on recognized that the settlement building stuff started to feel like work for me, and the perspective to raise even more settlements made me sigh.

And honestly do you think I would critic, argue or discuss about a game or franchise I don`t like or care about?
There are franchises I think are a piece of shit, but you`ll never see me writing about them.

And what really blows my mind that after you lumped together all user revies an Metacritic, because duh, and blaming me for making fun about a game (low metacritic) I`m having trouble to enjoy and am concerned it could not be fixed, you finally step in to defend poor Bethesda. Thank god for that.
Or you could just accept the fact that like all opinions, yours is just that, an opinion and not everyone who is currently playing the game shares that opinion. It's not fun for you, we get it. Nobody who's currently playing and enjoying the game cares.
Posted June 12, 2016
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52408/fallout-4-console-mod-theft-threatens-destroy-modding-community/index.html
Posted June 12, 2016
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mobutu: http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52408/fallout-4-console-mod-theft-threatens-destroy-modding-community/index.html
Until this problem is addressed, the modding community may fall apart under the weight of thieves, glitches, and demanding console owners.
Lolz.
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