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General discussionFallout 4 paid mods nonsense again from Bethesda?(75 posts)(75 posts)
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Posted November 11, 2015
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Johnathanamz: - Immortal companions, they go in a knocked down mode if hurt a lot, but they don't die, you use Stimpacks to get them back up.
So long as companions get themselves killed doing really stupid things because they have minimal AI and lousy pathing, they need to respawn. Dying because I did something stupid is one thing. Dying because of lousy programming is just annoying.

That said, I set mine to take several minutes to respawn in Oblivion, rather than the default of a few seconds. Otherwise it made fights too easy for my taste.

- Armor and weapons don't break.
I am so utterly sick of games that make me waste my limited playing waste time repairing @*%(@^ weapons and armour. If I wanted to play 'Gunsmith Simulator 2015', I'd have bought it.
Post edited November 11, 2015 by movieman523
Posted November 11, 2015
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Rivdoric: The first editor who will establish paid mod will be blacklisted for me, completely.

I really advise people to do the same.

Financing these companies greed activities is the definite death of PC.
The biggest shame about this is that they try to hide their greed between a "moral" reason stating that '"modders need to be paid for their work"..

They tried stupid DLC full of nothing.... It worked
They tried early season pass asking you to buy $30 or more, even before a game was launched ... it worked
They tried to sell digital cards to make fake useless badges... it worked !!!
Now they try to slowly push it in front of the community creations. If you let this happen, they're going to push something else later.

Get a refund as soon as you can, mate, really.
You can buy this game later once you got a clear answer as to whether they establish paid mod or not.
I agree. I considered opening a Steam account last year, but when the paid mods controversy happened I decided I would never open a Steam account. I don't want DRM on my computer and I don't want to have an account for a buch of scammers. At least GOG and CDPR avoid scams like that. For example, the minor DLCs for The Witcher 3 are completelly free. Only actual expansions cost money.
Posted November 11, 2015
The amount of hate and complaining coming from a line that really doesn't seem linked to paid modding in any way or form is astounding.
Posted November 12, 2015
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Pheace: The amount of hate and complaining coming from a line that really doesn't seem linked to paid modding in any way or form is astounding.
It's not from paid modding, it's from jealousy. Jealousy that the game is popular, jealousy that the game is not DRM-free, jealousy that 400,000+ are playing it right this second. But make no mistake, if that game was sold on GoG, it would be #1 on the sales chart and it wouldn't even be close.
Posted November 12, 2015
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Pheace: The amount of hate and complaining coming from a line that really doesn't seem linked to paid modding in any way or form is astounding.
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synfresh: It's not from paid modding, it's from jealousy. Jealousy that the game is popular, jealousy that the game is not DRM-free, jealousy that 400,000+ are playing it right this second. But make no mistake, if that game was sold on GoG, it would be #1 on the sales chart and it wouldn't even be close.
Jealousy ? What has jealousy to do with thinking the game is bad ?
I think most of the users here use more than one platform, not only gog, so its reasonable to assume that the people that are complaining know what they are talking about, because they played the game. And why are they complaining ? Because the game just isnt that good if you compare it to the prequels. Its as simple as that.
Posted November 12, 2015
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synfresh: It's not from paid modding, it's from jealousy. Jealousy that the game is popular, jealousy that the game is not DRM-free, jealousy that 400,000+ are playing it right this second. But make no mistake, if that game was sold on GoG, it would be #1 on the sales chart and it wouldn't even be close.
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NuffCatnip: Jealousy ? What has jealousy to do with thinking the game is bad ?
I think most of the users here use more than one platform, not only gog, so its reasonable to assume that the people that are complaining know what they are talking about, because they played the game. And why are they complaining ? Because the game just isnt that good if you compare it to the prequels. Its as simple as that.
And the response to that to for those that paid and are playing the game...

Who cares? When you u play a Beth game there are a certain amount of (non) expectations. It doesn't matter. It's fun enough to kill crap, loot some weapons, loot some armor, kill more stuff, then when mods come mod the hell out the game, etc etc etc.
Post edited November 12, 2015 by synfresh
Posted November 12, 2015
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Mr. D™: So, as you can read above I close with the conclusion that I am not the only one expecting something harmful happening to the modding community. I`m not sure monetizing the mod community is a good thing, but when you do it, you have to do it in a professional, responsible way, which bethesda/valve did not when they tried to pull that crap onto Skyrim.
Quote of Todd Howard in an interview by the german Spiegel (second last question) around E3:
"How long was the payment system online? 24 hours? I can only speak for the present time, but currently there are no plans for a payment system."
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.... and the professional, responsible way to do it is what? Can't say I've seen a matching answer from the guys voting against it, even less so one that has gotten a wide approval among them.

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NuffCatnip: Jealousy ? What has jealousy to do with thinking the game is bad ?
I think most of the users here use more than one platform, not only gog, so its reasonable to assume that the people that are complaining know what they are talking about, because they played the game. And why are they complaining ? Because the game just isnt that good if you compare it to the prequels. Its as simple as that.
Assuming they played it and actually knowing it, are two different pair of shoes. From most that complain here, I haven't seen a statement that they actually did and for how long so far.
What I can check is the Steam reviews which shows for how long the reviewer did play it. Now guess what? Currently nearly 10k positive and 2,7k negative reviews - now tell me: how reasonable is it to assume, the game isn't nearly as bad as some proclaim here?
Posted November 12, 2015
The worst thing about Fallout 4's release is that it means there'll be Fallout threads in the GOG forum. The bile is already building up to dangerous levels...

On topic: there is no connection whatsoever between the season pass and paid mods. Where the paid mods will come in is from the fact that Fallout 4 is a new title and therefore Bethesda won't be screwing around with an existing modding community by introducing paid mods with this title. It's what they've said they're considering doing in the past after paid mods fell through last time so it might well happen with this title.

Unless they think it's too soon.
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DalekSec: So, all Fallout games are crap?
Don't expect logic from NMA numpties. They're the hate fuelled, bile spewing trolls the series seems to be plagued with as a following. I like the games, but I'm not keen to admit it in these forums.
Post edited November 12, 2015 by Navagon
Posted November 12, 2015
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Mr. D™: So, as you can read above I close with the conclusion that I am not the only one expecting something harmful happening to the modding community. I`m not sure monetizing the mod community is a good thing, but when you do it, you have to do it in a professional, responsible way, which bethesda/valve did not when they tried to pull that crap onto Skyrim.
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Siannah: Quote of Todd Howard in an interview by the german Spiegel (second last question) around E3:
"How long was the payment system online? 24 hours? I can only speak for the present time, but currently there are no plans for a payment system."
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.... and the professional, responsible way to do it is what? Can't say I've seen a matching answer from the guys voting against it, even less so one that has gotten a wide approval among them.

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NuffCatnip: Jealousy ? What has jealousy to do with thinking the game is bad ?
I think most of the users here use more than one platform, not only gog, so its reasonable to assume that the people that are complaining know what they are talking about, because they played the game. And why are they complaining ? Because the game just isnt that good if you compare it to the prequels. Its as simple as that.
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Siannah: Assuming they played it and actually knowing it, are two different pair of shoes. From most that complain here, I haven't seen a statement that they actually did and for how long so far.
What I can check is the Steam reviews which shows for how long the reviewer did play it. Now guess what? Currently nearly 10k positive and 2,7k negative reviews - now tell me: how reasonable is it to assume, the game isn't nearly as bad as some proclaim here?
Why would someone complain if he/ she doesnt have the game ? They wouldnt have any means to do so.
You gave the answer yourself, compare those 78% to the last game which has 96%.

And I think Ill stop posting in this thread, because this, without a doubt, is going to escalate/ turning into a flame thread and I dont want to invest my time in such a thing.
Posted November 12, 2015
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Pheace: The amount of hate and complaining coming from a line that really doesn't seem linked to paid modding in any way or form is astounding.
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synfresh: It's not from paid modding, it's from jealousy. Jealousy that the game is popular, jealousy that the game is not DRM-free, jealousy that 400,000+ are playing it right this second. But make no mistake, if that game was sold on GoG, it would be #1 on the sales chart and it wouldn't even be close.
and I would still not play it. Your point being?
For me Fallout 3 was absolute rubbish that just abused and consequently desecrated fallout lore. I didn't hold my breath for F4. Something being popular doesn't automatically means it's good. Then again I'm sure it would sell well on GoG.
Posted November 12, 2015
The usual Steam apologists with their knee-jerk replies, as per usual. Even though this topic has nothing to do with Steam really, it's just that when you're in a cult you can't help yourself.
Posted November 12, 2015
Current user score for Fallout 4 on Metacritic is 4.8 xD

Finally I`m having at least a little bit of fun with the game lol
Posted November 12, 2015
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Siannah: snip
Would you be comfortable with someone saying they think the game is bad 'for them'?
I'm not going to buy the game for that reason. It's not in my taste to begin with, so I'm not going to spend money, put hours into it, just so I can tell people I don't like it when I'm not into the game in the first place.
With big games like this, DRM means nothing. I have Dying Light, Shadow of Mordor, and ARK just to name a few... because let's face it - those games will NEVER come here.
Please try not reading between lines - I'm just asking a friendly question, and your opinion of my scenario.
edit: I realise my comment has nothing to do with paid mods haha!
Post edited November 12, 2015 by micktiegs_8
Posted November 12, 2015
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Mr. D™: Current user score for Fallout 4 on Metacritic is 4.8 xD
Going to assume this is because of the console issues or some other ethics complaint. We've both been playing the game since launch on our PC's and we're having a blast, and it's probably the most stable Fallout I've played in decades, haven't had a crash yet and no significant bugs either. (the odd twitching corpse and bad pathing, but it's fallout :p)
Posted November 12, 2015
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Mr. D™: I am posting this on GOG simply because the steam forums are a huge fuckfest for trolls *cough* moderators.

So I bought Fallout 4 like any previous Fallout title. My guts told me it would not be the reinvention of the franchise, which seems now, after the release and 15 hours into the game, pretty much the truth. In fact Fallout 4 is on many parts a step back.

But I was and am o.k. with that, simply because I expect a strong mod community. Aside from the fact that Bethesda relies nowadays way too much on their work, an american steam-contact hinted me a line in the product description of the seasons pass:"...get the Fallout 4 season pass and get all Fallout 4 DLC for one S.P.E.C.I.A.L. price. " and that he suspects the paid mod nonsense will be tacked onto the seasons pass

I already suspected Bethesda in my Steam userreview of Fallout 4 to pull off another paid mod nonsense like they already tried with Skyrim (No anti piracy measures, no quality control, no refunds, no compability guarantee but 75% of the revenue for valve and bethesda and 25% for the modder minus initial 400 bucks also for valve and bethesda)

So obviously I am not the only one concerned about another publisher scam that could harm the modding scene. For me it would be reason enough to ask Bethesda for a refund and probably stop buying their games.

What do you think?
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/categories/? ?

Paid mods was an idea that in its first form massively backfired on multiple fronts. Users raged, surprisingly many modders disagreed and the doors for a big copyright war swung wide open.

The idea is probably not off the table & back in the think-tank. But right now the promise of getting money for doing nothing is too diminished to bluntly add it to games already released & games that had been in development long enough to not have proper, legally less troublesome, mechanisms included.
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