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Posted February 17, 2019
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Yeagersmash: Dark Forces is an example. A mac version exists (I know this for a fact because a buddy of mine used to play it back in the day). They only support Windows. This goes for a number of other old games where Mac versions existed and they don't support OSX in bringing these games to the modern forefront.
Classic Mac OS isn't the same as OSX though and all classic Mac programs were written for a very different CPU architecture. They used a compatibility layer for a while, essentially dual booting Classic Mac OS next to OSX (and later used Rosetta for PowerPC to Intel conversions), but in general old Mac OS applications up to OS 9 don't work at all on OSX. To get these running its actually easier to use the DOS and Windows versions instead (and I guess this is were licensing issues can come up as well).
Posted February 17, 2019
OSX? Ah, it`s a Mac thing. I guess, this is the answer. Not many people have a mac and less of them use it for playing games.
Posted February 17, 2019
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Yeagersmash: This vendor used to be about making old games available and playable for the masses. Now, they are just another game-store. This will ultimately hurt GOG because Steam will crush them if they are trying to compete in the regular market. They should have stuck with their niche.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: So by "sticking with their niche," you mean GOG should only sell DOS-based or Windows 98-based type games and nothing else? Had they done that, then we wouldn't even be having this discussion today, because GOG would have already permanently gone out of business several years ago.

There's only a very limited pool of games that that fit the criteria you are talking about, and GOG has acquired as many of them as they are able to. They can't keep selling those same games, and nothing else, forever, or else they'd literally have no further income after their customers who wanted those games had bought them once.

GOG's best & most important niche has always been DRM-free games, and it's still doing that.
They should focus on making old games play on modern operating systems. That should be their primary focus. You really think they can compete with Steam in the mainstream game market? Seriously? ROFL... Their niche was always bringing old games to the modern forefront. Not sure what you are talking about, because when I first came to GOG, it was all old games, with a handful of modern titles.
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Maxvorstadt: OSX? Ah, it`s a Mac thing. I guess, this is the answer. Not many people have a mac and less of them use it for playing games.
Bullshit. Do not turn my post into a Mac versus Windows thing. Many people have Macs and many people play games on them. You live in Germany and in Europe Macs are much more popular, so you of all people should know better. I know at least a dozen people in my small circle that own modern Macs and they play games fantastically. So, no - this is not the answer.
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ignisferroque: Classic Mac OS isn't the same as OSX though and all classic Mac programs were written for a very different CPU architecture. They used a compatibility layer for a while, essentially dual booting Classic Mac OS next to OSX (and later used Rosetta for PowerPC to Intel conversions), but in general old Mac OS applications up to OS 9 don't work at all on OSX. To get these running its actually easier to use the DOS and Windows versions instead (and I guess this is were licensing issues can come up as well).
Once again, GOG is in the business of getting old shit to run on modern systems. I don't really care about the details. They should be impressing us with their wizardry. If I could do it myself, I would have no reason to come to this site at all. None, what-so-ever.
Post edited February 17, 2019 by Yeagersmash
Posted February 17, 2019
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Maxvorstadt: OSX? Ah, it`s a Mac thing. I guess, this is the answer. Not many people have a mac and less of them use it for playing games.
OS/2 had support for more games, seeing as it could (with the right edition) run Windows and DOS games. ;p
Posted February 17, 2019
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Yeagersmash: Once again, GOG is in the business of getting old shit to run on modern systems. I don't really care about the details. They should be impressing us with their wizardry. If I could do it myself, I would have no reason to come to this site at all. None, what-so-ever.
Oh, a conversion would be an absolute nightmare; as otherwise people would have already done it. (Not to mention the four codebases of old world Macs.)

Emulation is an (legal) impossibility because of draconian licencing that would be involved; much like the Amiga you need a system rom in order start. and Apple removed the system images for their older systems ages ago.
Posted February 17, 2019
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darktjm: For example, we will likely never see the Linux port of Alpha Centauri, because it was done (and owned) by a third party that no longer exists.
./play.it got your back on this one ;)
Install Alpha Centauri on Debian/Ubuntu/Mint/etc.
Posted February 17, 2019
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vv221: Install Alpha Centauri on Debian/Ubuntu/Mint/etc.
Um, OK... presumably that is a wine wrapper, since gog doesn't sell the native Linux version. The game works well enough in wine, but I was talking about the native Linux port provided by Loki. I actually owned that on disk (along with most other Loki titles), but all my physical media died in a fire, along with the NAS I used to back them up.
Post edited February 17, 2019 by darktjm
Posted February 17, 2019
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vv221: Install Alpha Centauri on Debian/Ubuntu/Mint/etc.
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darktjm: Um, OK... presumably that is a wine wrapper, since gog doesn't sell the native Linux version.
This is *not* a WINE wrapper, the script provided uses the GOG installer as a base to get the game data and run it through the original Loki engine.
Posted February 17, 2019
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vv221: This is *not* a WINE wrapper, the script provided uses the GOG installer as a base to get the game data and run it through the original Loki engine.
I'm not sure that's legal, which is why I assumed you weren't doing that. I mean, granted, someone like me who purchased the game from Loki could technically use it legally, but does everyone using your wrapper swear to legally own a copy? Owning a gog version is not sufficient.

Just because you can download it for free does that mean you can use it? The Linux version of NWN provided basically the entire game (including data) for free download while BioWare still hosted it.

I don't really care; I'll just stick to the wine version since I don't play it as often as I used to. In any case, this thread is about gog providing support, not gog users.
Posted February 17, 2019
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vv221: the script provided uses the GOG installer as a base to get the game data and run it through the original Loki engine.
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darktjm: I'm not sure that's legal, which is why I assumed you weren't doing that.
To be honest, I’m not 100% sure it is legal either.
Tracking down former Loki employees and asking them about this is on my TODO-list, but it’s not that easy seeing that the company does no longer exist. (I already did this for other things we share, always meeting approval)

If I ever get a cease and desist from a legal owner, I’ll take down the client from my website without any hesitation. But I’m pretty sure the people who worked on it would be happy to know that thanks to projects like ours their work is not lost.
Posted December 03, 2023
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darktjm: If you think that's bad, you should see gog's level of Linux support. Be happy you're just 2nd class, rather than an afterthought.
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Yeagersmash: Well, I guess they should change the site name to GOWG (Good Ole Windows Games). It wasn't that way in the beginning... Greed seems to have taken hold. It's easier and makes them more money to release the Windows versions. Really upsetting. Won't be buying much of anything from this site if this does not change.
Man I came here hoping that OSX support still alive since Steam will be killing support Feb 2024
Posted December 03, 2023
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Jotokutora: Man I came here hoping that OSX support still alive since Steam will be killing support Feb 2024
Incorrect. They will no longer consider 32-bit games as Mac-compatible, which GOG already did years ago.
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