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fables22: And it's not about having to agree with the mainstream opinion - it's about being able to voice opinions that differ without offending and/or insulting anyone.
Well couldn't say something like "Fallout 4 is shit" either then.
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: Obviously. Warning fellow Europeans about what to expect and from where those threats come from, is my obligation, as a human being. People may hate me but it is my duty as a human being, to protect others against wild beasts; even if that means i end up being hated. Also, i am in a position to know first hand those news i present others with, especially within this very specific post that you quoted. My aim is not to enrage or hate speech, as certain activists rush to accuse me. My aim is to stop the death spreading and the corpse-counting. My aim is for no other country, other than mine, to degrade into "Other". It is certainly within your rights to apply censor if you want or pressure to me (in the past i willingly followed moderators' urging), but first, you must think what is needed... Pamper oversensitive people with little grasp on reality and sweep the truth under the carpet, or stomach the harsh reality and help others avoid it, before it comes crashing down their door?

I will respect your decision whichever it might be. But i will urge you to respect the lost lives and the martyrs, on the other side of the scales and all. You that have power can only make it matter. Do what you will, but on a basis that you can sleep easy at night... Regards and best of wishes.
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throgh: There are no " wild beasts": There are people killing people. Bad enough, but you can't change anything with talking about rejection. And talking about "All muslims are guilty!" or talking about "wild beasts" doesn't change. We have to look on the wording: You don't want to protect your fellow europeans, the victims are just used as instruments. Shame on us all letting this happen!
Quit with the ethnomasochism.
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Years_of_Chaos: How do we suffer?
Just look on the start of this discussion? We are the same as the people coming here as refugees: We are afraid, we have prejudices. To be honest: It would help talking about that instead walking with demogagy or making instruments of those victims.
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throgh: Looking back to my books: Oh okay, there is my edition of the quran. Did you read the bible? Of course you do. Then let me ask again a little bit harsher: Did you ever read a confession of faith without ambiguity? What do you think would happen if we would go back in time and interpret the bible word by word? Whoho, we have a winner here! Exactly the same: So it is on us all helping to find a way out the circle of violence. And this is not possible with being or feeling supreme by telling everybody here the islam is guilty. Damn about the islam? Damn us all, would be even better ... we let it happen going back to conservative pictures of the world. Look at the time those confessions were written: Full of prejudices. Looking at our time? Hmm, again ... full of prejudices and at the brink of destruction because people like being supreme (supreme idiots in my point of view, but that's another story). :-)
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GreasyDogMeat: Here is the problem... Christianity has had reformations... Islam has not. Look at the violence (quantity and types) committed today comparing Christian crimes against Muslim crimes. They do not remotely compare. Every... single... day someone dies with the last words they hear being ALLAHU AKBAR! By your very wording... "What would happen if we would go back in time". We're not back in time... there is no reason to go back in time... we're in the here and now and in the here and now Christianity is not the issue.
Christianity is dead, but it looks like Islam isn't going down without a fight.
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Years_of_Chaos: Quit with the ethnomasochism.
Stop feeling supreme. And now what?
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Years_of_Chaos: Quit with the ethnomasochism.
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throgh: Stop feeling supreme. And now what?
What?
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Years_of_Chaos: Quit with the ethnomasochism.
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throgh: Stop feeling supreme. And now what?
We all die and life goes on.
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GreasyDogMeat: Ayaan Hirsi. Very brave woman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JTCMwdrpt4

There is another one I've listened to in the past but having trouble finding her.

The problem is people like her are the vast minority. They are pretty much ignored and shunned by the community at large.

Its my sincere hope that Islam is reformed in the future... but until that time comes we need to be careful about who we let into our countries. Too many of our people are being sacrificed at the alter of 'tolerance'.
That might sound very harsh: But the "war on terror" had even more victims. As I've said: Stop bombing, stop the drones, stop recruiting new people with hatred. Just help! And there is no further possibility to be more careful: The first victim of "more security" is freedom. Within the end we have the same here: Repressions within our society and death is the fellowship of repressions. We just have to look back in the history!
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fables22: And it's not about having to agree with the mainstream opinion - it's about being able to voice opinions that differ without offending and/or insulting anyone.
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WBGhiro: Well couldn't say something like "Fallout 4 is shit" either then.
No. That's not at all what that means. Think again.
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throgh: Stop feeling supreme. And now what?
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Years_of_Chaos: What?
Just asking. :-)
Do you feel supremacy? As I've learned from another posting that all this is just to protect the "fellow europeans". And I say: No this is just feeling supremacy. I don't even want to use any buzzwords.
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Years_of_Chaos: What?
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throgh: Just asking. :-)
Do you feel supremacy? As I've learned from another posting that all this is just to protect the "fellow europeans". And I say: No this is just feeling supremacy. I don't even want to use any buzzwords.
Caring for my own people is supremacy?
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Years_of_Chaos: What?
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throgh: Just asking. :-)
Do you feel supremacy? As I've learned from another posting that all this is just to protect the "fellow europeans". And I say: No this is just feeling supremacy. I don't even want to use any buzzwords.
Supremacy over what exactly? Putting your own people first (Like every other sane people on this planet) is normal.
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throgh: That might sound very harsh: But the "war on terror" had even more victims. As I've said: Stop bombing, stop the drones, stop recruiting new people with hatred. Just help! And there is no further possibility to be more careful: The first victim of "more security" is freedom. Within the end we have the same here: Repressions within our society and death is the fellowship of repressions. We just have to look back in the history!
This idea that the bombings and drones is responsible for this situation is ridiculous! America has been dealing with Islamic extremists since 1783!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnqRu0e9MI0

I'd personally rather post a video about this event from something other than Fox news since I know many people immediately ignore anything from them. I heard of this piece of history YEARS before this video from another documentary.

Another interesting fact: America learned of racial slavery FROM Islam!

So... Indeed... look back into history. The Quran is a doctrine of war, conquest and hate.
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throgh: Just asking. :-)
Do you feel supremacy? As I've learned from another posting that all this is just to protect the "fellow europeans". And I say: No this is just feeling supremacy. I don't even want to use any buzzwords.
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Years_of_Chaos: Caring for my own people is supremacy?
Then let me ask the other way: Who are your "people"? That sounds idealistic: But I see no further difference just within the religion and the language. Everything else? A recommandation for now: Just watch the Earthlings-trilogy. Starting with the named first and the more important one is Unity. In the end hatred and prejudices end with killing and pain. We should care for everybody and for every creature.

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GreasyDogMeat: So... Indeed... look back into history. The Quran is a doctrine of war, conquest and hate.
And that is also one major problem with the bible. So this comparison is valid for every confessional writing! You want a change? Okay then help the liberal thoughts out for a reformation. Stopping with this sentence you have written just helps nobody.
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Years_of_Chaos: Caring for my own people is supremacy?
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throgh: Then let me ask the other way: Who are your "people"? That sounds idealistic: But I see no further difference just within the religion and the language. Everything else? A recommandation for now: Just watch the Earthlings-trilogy. Starting with the named first and the more important one is Unity. In the end hatred and prejudices end with killing and pain. We should care for everybody and for every creature.

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GreasyDogMeat: So... Indeed... look back into history. The Quran is a doctrine of war, conquest and hate.
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throgh: And that is also one major problem with the bible. So this comparison is valid for every confessional writing! You want a change? Okay then help the liberal thoughts out for a reformation. Stopping with this sentence you have written just helps nobody.
You dont speak for everybody and you are intolerant.