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General discussionDRM'd game No: 2.. Ethan Carter Redux. What the Fudge?(63 posts)(63 posts)
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Posted September 20, 2015
Why do all new comers think that ALL of us in this community do the whole DRM free thing?
Posted September 20, 2015
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timppu: snip
No they're not here, and there's been more than sufficient time to bring them here. Star Ruler is an acceptable delay at the moment because it's only been a few months. *Read above for details*

I'm pretty sure the Steam versions are just updated directly on Steam, without need to use the in-game app. That was the case with Don't Starve anyway, as I owned that one.

edit: caught you before your edit! lol. Yeah it's understandable with the Arcen games, now I also read the forum. I don't know if it's possible to do the same thing with other games ie. just grab the files and zip, unzip etc. Some people say that games have dependencies that require full installation.

Anyway, good talk everyone, I don't want to spam the thread any further.
Post edited September 20, 2015 by micktiegs_8
Posted September 20, 2015
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tinyE: I wonder if the folks over at Steam are pissed that their copies of Tomb Raider have GOG files on them? :D
There was a bit talk at the time. You could probably google search it. Some people pissed, then you had gog people who were pissed but a chunk of them who were happy to just to be able to play the game.
Posted September 20, 2015
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darthspudius: Why do all new comers think that ALL of us in this community do the whole DRM free thing?
Because the world is black and white.
Posted September 20, 2015
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darthspudius: Why do all new comers think that ALL of us in this community do the whole DRM free thing?
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Mr.Caine: Because the world is black and white.
Well in fairness, for canines it is.
Posted September 20, 2015
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darthspudius: Why do all new comers think that ALL of us in this community do the whole DRM free thing?
Who are you referring to? At least the OP didn't do so, and he has registered in 2010, before you...
Posted September 20, 2015
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darthspudius: Why do all new comers think that ALL of us in this community do the whole DRM free thing?
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timppu: Who are you referring to? At least the OP didn't do so, and he has registered in 2010, before you...
Registered and actually using is a different story.
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darthspudius: Why do all new comers think that ALL of us in this community do the whole DRM free thing?
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Mr.Caine: Because the world is black and white.
Oh I could pop out a few jokes about that. Unfortunately due to the declining sense of humour in this place, I dare not. :P
Post edited September 20, 2015 by darthspudius
Posted September 20, 2015
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micktiegs_8: No they're not here, and there's been more than sufficient time to bring them here. Star Ruler is an acceptable delay at the moment because it's only been a few months. *Read above for details*
Has the rate of new updates for e.g. AI War slowed down already?

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micktiegs_8: I'm pretty sure the Steam versions are just updated directly on Steam, without need to use the in-game app. That was the case with Don't Starve anyway, as I owned that one.
Then I don't see why they shouldn't provide a cumulative patch or an updated installer at some point here too, at least when the rate of new updates has slowed down. I'm not necessarily expecting weekly patches to appear. Also, did Arcen continue to offer an offline update in a zip file? That's good enough for me too.

Also, if it is true that these games can be copied around after updating, then I consider them DRM-free in a similar way as the Steam games in this thread. A nuisance (having to install and update the game first before obtaining a fully up-to-date DRM-free copy), but still DRM-free.

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darthspudius: Registered and actually using is a different story.
So you were still referring to the OP? Ok, so where did you read he claimed DRM-free matters to all GOG customers? Maybe you misread his "I buy from this site for one reason..." as "Everyone buys from this site for one reason..."?
Post edited September 20, 2015 by timppu
Posted September 20, 2015
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tinyE: I wonder if the folks over at Steam are pissed that their copies of Tomb Raider have GOG files on them? :D
Id say there were more than a few games that came from GOG that went to steam like this ? ;)
Posted September 20, 2015
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micktiegs_8: No they're not here, and there's been more than sufficient time to bring them here. Star Ruler is an acceptable delay at the moment because it's only been a few months. *Read above for details*
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timppu: Has the rate of new updates for e.g. AI War slowed down already?

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micktiegs_8: I'm pretty sure the Steam versions are just updated directly on Steam, without need to use the in-game app. That was the case with Don't Starve anyway, as I owned that one.
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timppu: Then I don't see why they shouldn't provide a cumulative patch or an updated installer at some point here too, at least when the rate of new updates has slowed down. I'm not necessarily expecting weekly patches to appear. Also, did Arcen continue to offer an offline update in a zip file? That's good enough for me too.

Also, if it is true that these games can be copied around after updating, then I consider them DRM-free in a similar way as the Steam games in this thread. A nuisance (having to install and update the game first before obtaining a fully up-to-date DRM-free copy), but still DRM-free.

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darthspudius: Registered and actually using is a different story.
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timppu: So you were still referring to the OP? Ok, so where did you read he claimed DRM-free matters to all GOG customers? Maybe you misread his "I buy from this site for one reason..." as "Everyone buys from this site for one reason..."?
Why do you want to make an argument out of it. It was an overall observation of the past few months on the board. But again, why do you want to argue? Seems like such a pointless thing to start an argument over.
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tinyE: I wonder if the folks over at Steam are pissed that their copies of Tomb Raider have GOG files on them? :D
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Niggles: Id say there were more than a few games that came from GOG that went to steam like this ? ;)
I think the Legacy of Kain games were one.
Post edited September 20, 2015 by darthspudius
Posted September 20, 2015
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Zrevnur: It can be a bug and it can be DRM at the same time.
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timppu: I don't know what your definition for DRM is, apparently any feature that could be considered annoying in some way?

I agree with this test to say whether a digital game has DRM in the practical sense:

If you have the game installer and any official updates on an external hard drive, can you install and play it on your PC which is without an internet connection, without having to use any unofficial cracks or workarounds?

If you can, then it isn't DRM. If you can't, then it is DRM. In the case of Ethan Carter, you can, so no DRM. Also, I have no problem calling those Steam games which can be freely moved to another PC and played there even without Steam installed DRM-free. They also pass that DRM litmus test.

I know different people seem to have different definitions, e.g. if a single-player game even tries to go online for any reason (but doesn't require to go online for using the game), then it is DRM. I disagree with that. Like some others, I've noticed that quite many GOG games actually trigger the Windows firewall to ask whether you allow the game to go online. I have no idea why it does that, but since declining it does not make the game inoperable, I don't consider it as DRM. It doesn't manage at all what I do with the game. Lol

Also, copy protection on physical retail games: is it DRM or not? In a way yes, but that doesn't really matter for GOG games. If you are a console gamer, then it matters to you.
Call it what you want. Any software which attempts to contact an internet server without the users knowledge or agreement is unacceptable. This is equivalent to a Trojan. I couldn't give a monkeys if it is only checking home to get the latest news or something, it is an uncontrolled and unauthorised use of the computer. Why is is that as soon as you raise valid security or privacy concerns on here now that everyone jumps up and down about it being fine and ok, when in fact most people haven't got a clue what it is doing. Perhaps I can send you complainers a small file, it just pings the network to see if there is any Gog news, oh and posts your ip to every major advertiser, checks to see if there are any bank detail on your machines, and links it up to a bot network, so really quite safe.

Note, that wasn't necessarily directed at you timmpu
Post edited September 20, 2015 by nightcraw1er.488
Posted September 20, 2015
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darthspudius: Why do you want to make an argument out of it. It was an overall observation of the past few months on the board. But again, why do you want to argue? Seems like such a pointless thing to start an argument over.
Ok, so you weren't referring to the OP after all, but just a general observation, true or not. You must have had some good reason to say it specifically in this thread, I guess.

I don't know why so many GOG and Steam newcomers demand that no one should care about DRM. Why do they insist everyone should have exactly the same preferences as them? Just a general observation of course, not pointing fingers or anything. :)
Posted September 20, 2015
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timppu: Ps. Isn't this old news already, happened also with the original Ethan Carter game? Questions about the same from Dec 2014 and early 2015:

http://www.gog.com/forum/vanishing_of_ethan_carter_the/remnants_of_steam_version_contained_within_the_gog_version/page1

http://www.gog.com/forum/vanishing_of_ethan_carter_the/why_does_steam_start_every_time_i_run_the_game/page1

So... is the bug still there also with the original version, and no one cared anymore?
I bought and played the game in March 2015 and definitely had no issue with it despite having Steam installed. So either it was fixed or it is a freak bug that only affects some users.
Posted September 20, 2015
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Zrevnur: It can be a bug and it can be DRM at the same time.
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timppu: I don't know what your definition for DRM is, apparently any feature that could be considered annoying in some way?

I agree with this test to say whether a digital game has DRM in the practical sense:

If you have the game installer and any official updates on an external hard drive, can you install and play it on your PC which is without an internet connection, without having to use any unofficial cracks or workarounds?
I do not have a strict definition of the term "DRM". The topic is too complex.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management
The notable term there is "restrict" - and not "prevent". So IMO your definition is far too narrow. For example the dial-home-to-deactivate (see defcon thread (*)) version would be considered DRM-free by you even though it clearly restricts the usage and leads to me having to do extra work with significant further disadvantages: I cant use internet while playing.

(*) http://www.gog.com/forum/general/defcons_drm_is_still_active_support_doesnt_give_a_crap/page1 ; being online caused the game to deactivate itself whereas being offline worked

Edit: minor, pls add "preview" function to forum
Post edited September 20, 2015 by Zrevnur
Posted September 20, 2015
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timppu: Doesn't GOG offer up-to-date installers for them, or an offline patch? Is the in-game update for single-player too?
I don't know for Don't Starve, but for other games which also feature a custom auto-updater (e.g. Fallen London, Eador Broken World, etc...) GoG usually update the installer from time to time with the latest version. The frequency at which they do it is rather random though, I suspect it depends how often the game is updated and the criticality of said updates.
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