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So steam with over 40k games has only 600 drm free games(at least according to this site)…..epic has way more drm free games in comparison because epic overal only has 1k games on the store and nearly 300 are drm free.I noticed that devs are way more open to release their games drm free and for example if they have drm in the beginning they get patched drm free later on for example death stranding.It’s also interesting how many humble games are drm free.If you want to see an overall statistic here you go
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games
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ChristophWr: So steam with over 40k games has only 600 drm free games(at least according to this site)…..epic has way more drm free games in comparison because epic overal only has 1k games on the store and nearly 300 are drm free.I noticed that devs are way more open to release their games drm free and for example if they have drm in the beginning they get patched drm free later on for example death stranding.It’s also interesting how many humble games are drm free.If you want to see an overall statistic here you go
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games
What is your point?

Humble started out as a mostly drm free store, but has since changed to a mostly steam key reseller. Those games that are drm free there are often outdated. There are some that you can only get there, tinman gamng for instance, otherwise shop elsewhere. I still occasionally buy book bundles, but that’s really it.
Epic is the new dog on the block and expanding fairly rapidly. They have some games which can be made drm free, but that is a workaround more than anything else, they are still very focused on their client system.
Steam is the devs to platform to which all is measured, as epic there are workarounds to getting drm free for some games, but it’s not really a feature.
As for others on that list, whilst technically it may be true it’s what hoops and workarounds you would need to do to get them. M$, Amazon, Uplay, would not be trusting these at all, even if proved drm free. Also, I would question the basis of calling it drm free, what about the client status (downloading/updating etc?), multiplayer, other features such as modding or achievements. It’s not as simple as “it doesn’t have denuvo” as that is only one of takings problems.
According to that list

GOG.com
DRM-free titles 3,868
Out of 3,749

What??
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phaolo: According to that list

GOG.com
DRM-free titles 3,868
Out of 3,749

What??
GoG is simply 103% DRM free.
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ChristophWr: (...)I noticed that devs are way more open to release their games drm free and for example if they have drm in the beginning they get patched drm free later on for example death stranding (...)
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games
they probably just weren't aware their release was drm free, then realized it and corrected it
The store itself shows 4,148 games for me.
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ChristophWr: op snip
First, there's no consistent way of knowing whether games on Steam are DRM free or not, since Valve does not disclose that and devs rarely do so either, requiring users to manually test each game. And since games usually need to be bought and ideally tested in a second machine that never had Steam or connection to the internet, it makes the number of games found even smaller.

In Epic's case, I don't follow the whole situation, but giving games away and the launcher using an entirely different API that not all devs are willing to use probably helps with the DRM free situation.

Also, some devs might not even know their games are DRM free, as previously stated, or they may not know some engines make a "backdoor" to DRM.

And in Humble Bundle's case, I remember seeing reports of games sold as installers that, when launched, check a 3rd party service to start.

And as mentioned before, the wiki's page linked needs some polishing in the data shown, and it lacks quite a few stores too.
Post edited February 15, 2022 by _Auster_
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ChristophWr: So steam with over 40k games has only 600 drm free games(at least according to this site)…..epic has way more drm free games in comparison because epic overal only has 1k games on the store and nearly 300 are drm free.I noticed that devs are way more open to release their games drm free and for example if they have drm in the beginning they get patched drm free later on for example death stranding.It’s also interesting how many humble games are drm free.If you want to see an overall statistic here you go
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games
Yeah i also noticed that.I prefer epic over steam because of that because many games also get the drm free treatment later which is great.Humble bundle has expanded but they also sell a lot of drm free games and itchi is also great site
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ChristophWr: So steam with over 40k games has only 600 drm free games(at least according to this site)…..epic has way more drm free games in comparison because epic overal only has 1k games on the store and nearly 300 are drm free.I noticed that devs are way more open to release their games drm free and for example if they have drm in the beginning they get patched drm free later on for example death stranding.It’s also interesting how many humble games are drm free.If you want to see an overall statistic here you go
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games
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nightcraw1er.488: What is your point?

Humble started out as a mostly drm free store, but has since changed to a mostly steam key reseller. Those games that are drm free there are often outdated. There are some that you can only get there, tinman gamng for instance, otherwise shop elsewhere. I still occasionally buy book bundles, but that’s really it.
Epic is the new dog on the block and expanding fairly rapidly. They have some games which can be made drm free, but that is a workaround more than anything else, they are still very focused on their client system.
Steam is the devs to platform to which all is measured, as epic there are workarounds to getting drm free for some games, but it’s not really a feature.
As for others on that list, whilst technically it may be true it’s what hoops and workarounds you would need to do to get them. M$, Amazon, Uplay, would not be trusting these at all, even if proved drm free. Also, I would question the basis of calling it drm free, what about the client status (downloading/updating etc?), multiplayer, other features such as modding or achievements. It’s not as simple as “it doesn’t have denuvo” as that is only one of takings problems.
A you again….how do you know that’s it’s a workaround?Do you make conspiracy threads and negative posts everytime?Its also possible because devs are getting more paid so devs are more open to drm free or epic has a more pro drm free mantra.Their launcher is drm free and they let it open to the developers if they wanna release their games drm free or not.Steam also has a very light drm with plenty of drm free games like hades
Post edited February 15, 2022 by Wheezyyyy
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As long as their store clients are mandatory to download/install the games, there is exactly 0 DRM-free game on Steam, and 0 on EGS.
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phaolo: According to that list

GOG.com
DRM-free titles 3,868
Out of 3,749

What??
PCGamingWIki has upcoming and discontinued/unlisted games in its lists. I suspect that is the gap.
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phaolo: According to that list

GOG.com
DRM-free titles 3,868
Out of 3,749

What??
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pjpsyco: PCGamingWIki has upcoming and discontinued/unlisted games in its lists. I suspect that is the gap.
Their list is little inaccurate.
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vv221: As long as their store clients are mandatory to download/install the games, there is exactly 0 DRM-free game on Steam, and 0 on EGS.
Backing up DRM free steam games is a pain. Since none of them are package as .exe installer.
Post edited February 15, 2022 by Syphon72
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pjpsyco: I suspect that is the gap.
All those numbers cited in this thread are bogus untrue nonsense regardless of anything "PCGamingWiki" does or doesn't do, because those numbers include DLCs, and different editions of the exact same game, and other such shenanigans which destroy the integrity of the count.

So in other words, the alleged number of games being listed on GOG is in no way an accurate and real and true representation of the actual number of games on GOG, which AFAIK, no one has ever made a true & accurate count of.
Post edited February 15, 2022 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
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_Auster_: First, there's no consistent way of knowing whether games on Steam are DRM free or not, since Valve does not disclose that and devs rarely do so either, requiring users to manually test each game. And since games usually need to be bought and ideally tested in a second machine that never had Steam or connection to the internet, it makes the number of games found even smaller.
And, even if the game is (supposedly) DRM-free by this standard, the game can still be updated later to now include DRM. Meaning that for new buyers, post-update, it is not DRM-free any longer in any sense, making the number yet again even smaller.

I find the valid distinction to be that of a DRM-free store versus a DRMed store. Granted there are gray areas like how itch.io technically doesn't forbid DRM, and GOG has various offending games. I would say Zoom-Platform and Fireflower Games are good examples of "purely DRM-free" stores; while, Scheme and Epic are primarily DRMed.
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ChristophWr: So steam with over 40k games has only 600 drm free games(at least according to this site)…..epic has way more drm free games in comparison because epic overal only has 1k games on the store and nearly 300 are drm free.I noticed that devs are way more open to release their games drm free and for example if they have drm in the beginning they get patched drm free later on for example death stranding.It’s also interesting how many humble games are drm free.If you want to see an overall statistic here you go
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games
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Wheezyyyy: Yeah i also noticed that.I prefer epic over steam because of that because many games also get the drm free treatment later which is great.Humble bundle has expanded but they also sell a lot of drm free games and itchi is also great site
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nightcraw1er.488: What is your point?

Humble started out as a mostly drm free store, but has since changed to a mostly steam key reseller. Those games that are drm free there are often outdated. There are some that you can only get there, tinman gamng for instance, otherwise shop elsewhere. I still occasionally buy book bundles, but that’s really it.
Epic is the new dog on the block and expanding fairly rapidly. They have some games which can be made drm free, but that is a workaround more than anything else, they are still very focused on their client system.
Steam is the devs to platform to which all is measured, as epic there are workarounds to getting drm free for some games, but it’s not really a feature.
As for others on that list, whilst technically it may be true it’s what hoops and workarounds you would need to do to get them. M$, Amazon, Uplay, would not be trusting these at all, even if proved drm free. Also, I would question the basis of calling it drm free, what about the client status (downloading/updating etc?), multiplayer, other features such as modding or achievements. It’s not as simple as “it doesn’t have denuvo” as that is only one of takings problems.
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Wheezyyyy: A you again….how do you know that’s it’s a workaround?Do you make conspiracy threads and negative posts everytime?Its also possible because devs are getting more paid so devs are more open to drm free or epic has a more pro drm free mantra.Their launcher is drm free and they let it open to the developers if they wanna release their games drm free or not.Steam also has a very light drm with plenty of drm free games like hades
Your care level and the timing of your forum activity are very suspicious, Wheezyyyy. Are you now or have you ever been a Russian bot?
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vv221: As long as their store clients are mandatory to download/install the games, there is exactly 0 DRM-free game on Steam, and 0 on EGS.
Once you downloaded it through the client it’s yours to keep.Most of my games on epic work without the launcher and death stranding had denuvo first and is now drm free