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I'm a big fan of German RPGs and really wish the Drakensang RPGs (The Dark Eye and The River of Time) were her on GOG. There's a certain feel / style to German RPGs that interests me to no end -- dark stories in an almost fairytale high fantasy. I guess it's part of the culture that sprung The Ring of the Nibelung.

Anyone played these games? What did you think?
Post edited June 02, 2019 by kai2
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kai2: I'm a big fan of German RPGs and really wish the Drakensang RPGs (The Dark Eye and The River of Time) were her on GOG. There's a certain feel / style to German RPGs that interests me to no end -- dark stories in an almost fairytale high fantasy. I guess it's part of the culture that sprung The Ring of the Nibelung.

Anyone played these games? What did you think?
I have only played Drakensang The Dark Eye and I really liked it. Where to get The River of Time? I also want these games to be on GOG. That would be awesome.
These games aren't available for Australian users on Steam for some reason, but I was able to get them on Steam by getting them as gifts by trading.
Post edited June 02, 2019 by Crosmando
I owned these on disc back in the day but never played them. When I ditched all my games there were some of the few I didn't already have digitally. Never got them on Steam for whatever reason, I think they had weird DRM for a while but not sure if they still do. Would definitely get GOG versions.
I bought 'Drakensang - Complete Saga' on disc a few years ago and just loved the whole series. It would be great if they came to GOG so more people could get to enjoy it but in the meantime there are copies available still on Amazon for not much more than a couple of cups of coffee. Also, as a huge bonus, the disc version is completely DRM free too.
The Dark Eye was absolutely incredible, it was way underrated. Probably because it was very difficult. I love older games that switch "engines" to look entirely different depending on the situation. Hopefully we see these games on here.

EDIT: Just noticed that its already on gog and you guys talk about a game series that even newer. Damn I feel old lol. Now I also feel that Drakensang fits right with GOGs RPG audience.
Post edited June 02, 2019 by Dray2k
Also just played The Dark Eye and was nice enough, but seemed that the designers insisted on adding a bad thing for every good one, or even worse. Quite liked the system used, but there's hardly enough information about it in game (and for some things even in the manual) so if you're not familiar with it already you'd be advised to look stuff up first; companions' quips are a nice touch and may even be useful, but actually talking to them more than once is pointless; and then characters annoyingly keep rearranging themselves during combat, they jog so slowly and make crossing maps tedious, and you can't get back to an area once you complete the quest sending you to it.
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Dray2k: EDIT: Just noticed that its already on gog and you guys talk about a game series that even newer.
Are you referring to the original Realms of Arkania? That's on GOG, plus an adventure in that system, but not Drakensang.
Post edited June 02, 2019 by Cavalary
I tried Drakensang but got bored early on and switched to The River of Time instead. It was released after Drakensang, but the story takes place before it, so skipping the first game wasn't a problem. I found the second game easier to get into, the story-telling did a better job of drawing me in right from the beginning.

I played The River of Time with unofficial German language and voiceovers patch applied to the Steam version. Since I haven't finished it so far (I took a long break near the end, still need to complete the expansion and the final quests), I haven't posted a review yet, but in case that helps, here are some (mostlly) unedited notes that I made for it (probably a few years ago):

PROs

+ Beautiful to look at, good soundtrack (sample 1, sample 2)
+ Good voice-acting (German version)
+ No tedious resting, mana and hp automatically regenerate outside of combat
+ Game let's you continue exactly where you left it, even without saving (apparantly it creates a "Continue" save when quitting)

NEUTRAL
o Surprisingly rich in enjoyable and varied content (including puzzles and such), but at the same time often a bit average and flawed.
o Setting is standard DSA and the story is nothing outstanding, but I still liked it (maybe also because of that, as it's not an epic "save the world story" but on a smaller scale and a bit more down to "earth"), and in general I thought the game was fun to play.

CONs

- Fast travel points don't prevent tedious walking and backtracking, since they're often placed at a certain distance from where you'd actually want to go, and you can only fast travel if you're in very specific areas

- Somewhat problematic mix of free roaming and restricted gameplay; you're confined to specific areas and can't freely explore the whole world, but even in those confined spaces you can suddenly run into encounters that are much too tough for your current level and that you will only be able to beat much later in the game when you return to these areas. An even bigger problem is that the game often allows you to accept scripted quests that lock you in with these encounters, without telling you how tough they are going to be and whether you're actually ready for them. If you don't save often, you might run into game-stopping situations there, because once you realize you shouldn't have tried to tackle the quest yet, there is no way back but reloading.

- So while you can tackle missions in any way you like, it seems counterproductive to do so; monsters that seem to hard to defeat at one level don't grant you any xp anymore if you return to them only 2-3 levels later, and it's easy to gain these during one of the main quests. Maybe you're supposed to take a break in the middle of a main quest to tackle the side quests, but in any case the window for solving these side quests seems pretty limited, if you want to get the most out of them. Fighting through monsters without getting any xp reward for defeating them is a bit demotivating. Also, tougher monsters share the same space with weaker monsters, so that you'll always be a little over- or underpowered.

- No highlighting of interactive objects and items in the environment, can lead to extreme pixel hunting, and you can easily miss important side quest items (even in areas that you won't be allowed to go back to, letting you fail the quest if you leave without spotting it).

- Sneaking seems almost useless; it's painfully slowly, worse than in NWN, and if you scout ahead with the skilled thief, the other characters will eventually follow instead of staying put where you left them.

- Hardly any AOE spells, makes combat with trash mobs slow and tedious.
- Tactical positioning is really difficult to achieve due to bad pathfinding ("not enough space to fight!"), PCs will constantly dance around the opponents and switch positions, because on the other hand, IIRC characters and opponents can often pass through each other as if they weren't solid obstacles. The battlefield will quickly turn into a chaotic mess, if you don't micromanage every step (combat is handled in real-time with pause button, btw).
- Hard to lure individual enemies away from the group; if one sees you, the others follow.
- Several areas are stuffed with the same type of unexciting opponents like crabs and bugs and wolves that will repeatedly hinder your progress but are not fun to fight and get repetitive pretty quickly.
Post edited June 02, 2019 by Leroux
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Scramble: Where to get The River of Time?
You can get all three games at McGames.com.

DRM-free.

However - these are the German versions. No way to switch to another language, AFAIK.
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Played all of them, enjoyed them a lot, especially the "A River of Time". A shame they aren't here already, but you can easily find the retail version(s) online.
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Pajama: I bought 'Drakensang - Complete Saga' (...) Also, as a huge bonus, the disc version is completely DRM free too.
I have the same version and i can confirm that it is DRM-Free, even though on the back side of the case (see screenshot below) it does state that you need to activate it on Steam to be able to play it.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=drakensang+complete+saga&t=fpas&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.knightdiscounts.com%2Fsoftware%2Fgamedrakensangcompletesaga3.jpg
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kai2: Anyone played these games? What did you think?
They are among my favorite RPGs. I think they are for me what Baldur's Gate is for most people. You can get other games based on the Dark Eye here on GOG - the tactical RPG Blackguards 1 & 2 (not nearly as good as Drakensang, but ok in their own right) and point & click adventure games Chains of Satinav and Memoria, and those two are absolutely amazing, especially Chains of Satinav, which is perhaps my favorite adventure game of all time.
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Breja: You can get other games based on the Dark Eye here on GOG - the tactical RPG Blackguards 1 & 2 (not nearly as good as Drakensang, but ok in their own right) and point & click adventure games Chains of Satinav and Memoria, and those two are absolutely amazing, especially Chains of Satinav, which is perhaps my favorite adventure game of all time.
Don't forget the first pc games set in the "Dark Eye" universe:

https://www.gog.com/game/realms_of_arkania_1_2

https://www.gog.com/game/realms_of_arkania_3
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Pajama: I bought 'Drakensang - Complete Saga' on disc a few years ago and just loved the whole series. It would be great if they came to GOG so more people could get to enjoy it but in the meantime there are copies available still on Amazon for not much more than a couple of cups of coffee. Also, as a huge bonus, the disc version is completely DRM free too.
Yeah, I almost bought them on disc last night, but I've heard so many people say they wouldn't even boot on modern systems that I'm reluctant. I'd hoped to get The Dwarves since I'm reading the first book, but... maybe I've take the chance and order Drakensang instead?
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kai2: Yeah, I almost bought them on disc last night, but I've heard so many people say they wouldn't even boot on modern systems that I'm reluctant. I'd hoped to get The Dwarves since I'm reading the first book, but... maybe I've take the chance and order Drakensang instead?
Not sure what you've got but the trilogy of games runs perfectly on my Win 7/64 machine. I just installed the games - not in Program Files or Program Files (x86) though - and clicked the game(s) icon and away I went. Hopefully it should work for you too but if you're on Win 10, there are quite a few threads about getting the game to work over at the Steam forum;

https://steamcommunity.com/app/12640/discussions/0/

Good luck :)
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Vythonaut: Played all of them, enjoyed them a lot, especially the "A River of Time". A shame they aren't here already, but you can easily find the retail version(s) online.
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Pajama: I bought 'Drakensang - Complete Saga' (...) Also, as a huge bonus, the disc version is completely DRM free too.
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Vythonaut: I have the same version and i can confirm that it is DRM-Free, even though on the back side of the case (see screenshot below) it does state that you need to activate it on Steam to be able to play it.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=drakensang+complete+saga&t=fpas&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.knightdiscounts.com%2Fsoftware%2Fgamedrakensangcompletesaga3.jpg
Thanks for linking that box art! Now I've finally seen the box specs instead of guessing on eBay or finding differing accounts on Amazon. With Windows 7 listed I'd expect 8.1 should run them. Thanks!