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At least GoG are saying on the store page (in a very visible way):

Skirmish Matches Notice: Please note that the skirmish matches are not available offline and require GOG GALAXY client to access.

It's a shame that the skirmish matches are considered part of the multiplayer part of the game, but it seems like this is down to how the game is designed rather than anything nefarious on GoG's part (of course, there's a further argument about whether multiplayer should need Galaxy etc, but that's not something that I'm interested in engaging in as I'm more interested in a good story-driven single player experience than playing against a bunch strangers)
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clarry: Dependencies controlled by a third party, with accounts and game ownership checks = DRM.
the codeword there is ownership checks, and it does not matter if it is first or third party. howeverr, dependensies that do not do ownership checks are not DRM. so what you are saying here is that DRM = DRM.
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amok: the codeword there is ownership checks, and it does not matter if it is first or third party. howeverr, dependensies that do not do ownership checks are not DRM. so what you are saying here is that DRM = DRM.
And Galaxy does do ownership checks and requires online connections. It is indeed used, entirely too often, as DRM. Including as it would in this case. You're right that dependencies != DRM. But you're trying to excuse this one that is more than just a dependency.
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pds41: At least GoG are saying on the store page (in a very visible way):

Skirmish Matches Notice: Please note that the skirmish matches are not available offline and require GOG GALAXY client to access.

It's a shame that the skirmish matches are considered part of the multiplayer part of the game, but it seems like this is down to how the game is designed rather than anything nefarious on GoG's part (of course, there's a further argument about whether multiplayer should need Galaxy etc, but that's not something that I'm interested in engaging in as I'm more interested in a good story-driven single player experience than playing against a bunch strangers)
The GOG version is still one step above the Steam version imo. Since you cannot even play the steam version Single player without steam.
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Gamicon4: "Please note that our version of Dawn of War offers a multiplayer experience tailored specifically for our GOG GALAXY client. It requires an online connection and is not compatible with other versions of the game."

The original DoW didn't have drm; why gog why?!?
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rjbuffchix: They love pushing their client and the mythology that "DRM-free" means merely a barebones single player game that can boot up and get past the loading screens, and every other mode or piece of content is a non-essential bonus (I'm exaggerating a bit). It's my belief that GOG/CDPR took down the former "FCKDRM" campaign out of sheer embarrassment at the fact the site had a compare/contrast between DRM-free and DRMed content, and the "optional" client basically checked every single box of the "DRMed" side.
I highly dought it was done because of Galaxy. Everything is not that simple.
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Timboli: Is 'Skirmish Mode' something where you needed to connect with other players?
If so, then that is a form of Multiplayer, and GOG have never to my knowledge promised that the MP aspect of a game is guaranteed to be DRM-Free. (...)
There are many games here at GOG, where the MP aspect is DRM. How is DOW2 any different to those? It's not like it doesn't have a great SP aspect.
It seems to me, that DOW2 has a lot of SP content DRM-Free ... which meets the guarantee brief from GOG.
It is disappointing that DOW 2 doesn't have LAN mode, but so many games are like that these days. (...)
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g2222: Maybe it's a matter of terminology? For me, "skirmish" is not inherently tied to "multiplayer". Instead, it contrasts with "campaign game". A skirmish game is a short battle on a fair (mostly symmetric) playing field.
Yes, the implementation of this playing mode is often (but not always) tied to multiplayer. I.e. the question is only whether humans or AI-bots take the player slots.

In the case of DoW2, the main problem is the removal of LAN play, which it once had! With it came the technical capability to "host" your own skirmish games, regardless of whether other human players joined or not.

There are other games sold on GOG, such as Supreme Commander, which still allow for LAN play (and thus offline bot matches). I fear the day when GOG proudly announces the Galaxification of those last survivors...
But GOG did not remove LAN for DOW 2. How much control dose GOG have over adding LAN back, or is that up to SEGA?
Post edited July 11, 2023 by Syphon72
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amok: the codeword there is ownership checks, and it does not matter if it is first or third party. howeverr, dependensies that do not do ownership checks are not DRM. so what you are saying here is that DRM = DRM.
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mqstout: And Galaxy does do ownership checks and requires online connections. It is indeed used, entirely too often, as DRM. Including as it would in this case. You're right that dependencies != DRM. But you're trying to excuse this one that is more than just a dependency.
what galaxy does or does not do, i do not know. in this case, does it verify ownership or does it only provide the online framework?

I am not exusing anything, i am trying to give an answer to the initial question, and just refusing to equate everything I do not like with DRM

(by the way, having to be online is in itself a dependancy. it is shit and very bad design for single player, but it does not necessary mean it is DRM)
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Gamicon4: "Please note that our version of Dawn of War offers a multiplayer experience tailored specifically for our GOG GALAXY client. It requires an online connection and is not compatible with other versions of the game."

The original DoW didn't have drm; why gog why?!?
You have 0 games? I'm guessing a user that was banned sometime ago.
Post edited July 11, 2023 by Syphon72
Yes requiring GOG Galaxy is Digital Rights Management (DRM).

I wish multiplayer was Digital Rights Management (DRM) free again, only a few video games I can think of in the past had truly 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free multiplayer and that was.

Unreal Tournament

Rune

Red Faction 1

And Unreal Tournament 2004

And every video game that had LAN support.
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Johnathanamz: Yes requiring GOG Galaxy is Digital Rights Management (DRM).

I wish multiplayer was Digital Rights Management (DRM) free again, only a few video games I can think of in the past had truly 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free multiplayer and that was.

Unreal Tournament

Rune

Red Faction 1

And Unreal Tournament 2004

And every video game that had LAN support.
The Golden age. Even Socom for PS2 had LAN.
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amok: the codeword there is ownership checks, and it does not matter if it is first or third party. howeverr, dependensies that do not do ownership checks are not DRM. so what you are saying here is that DRM = DRM.
DRM isn't just about ownership. DRM is about managing your rights, whether the product is "owned" or not. If a game is built in such a way that enables a third party to cut you off from it or otherwise disable parts of the game for you, then yes it has DRM with or without ownership checks.

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amok: what galaxy does or does not do, i do not know. in this case, does it verify ownership or does it only provide the online framework?
Why even butt in the discussion if you have no idea? Yes, it does verify ownership.
Post edited July 11, 2023 by clarry
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Timboli: Some have compared DOW2 to Hitman GOTY, but that game had genuine single player aspects hidden behind DRM, and so shouldn't have been at GOG in that state.
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joppo: But... isn't a skirmish between you and bots a single player experience? Why would it be considered multiplayer? Where are these other players? The bots?
I don't know how old you are but you gave the answer to yourself.

"Skirmish" started out as the option to add Bots to the MP and play only against those bots. it usually had MP rules, MP Maps and MP options. For the many players who had no network connection back then.

Don't mix it up with usually script controlled hand build missions with special conditions, special goals and stuff.

Sometimes it was placed in a separated menu, but often enough it was not.
Technically for many games it was the same but without connecting to other players (talking about games with direct connection type) or without calling the servers (for server based stuff). But often enough the game was creating a "gameserver" for skirmish on its own, like it would did for MP.

There are even enough games where you can farm whatever is farmable in MP ("level", wins, whatever) while doing "skirmishes".
Maybe it is time to accept that our supply of "good old and drm-free games" is running dry. Steam is a thing since 2003. More and more games required online registration and authentication ("DRM"). Online multiplayer gradually replaced LAN sessions. Now, some modern games even offer hybrid single- & multiplayer experiences, where random other players may drop in and out of your game at any time. That means no classic "campaign" anymore either.

Personally, I want neither DRM (rights management in the narrower sense), nor online-/client-dependence. I buy on GOG simply because they provide those offline installers. And I can rest assured that no one can take my downloads away from me. If that "golden age" is coming to an end, well ... that's bad. Not just for us customers, but for GOG, too. Because it invalidates GOG's business model of selling DRM-free games. What remains is just a weak imitation of Steam.

I remember when people initially rallied against Steam: "What if they close shop overnight? Will I lose all my games?" But then they went like: "Nah, won't happen. Steam is too big to fail."
Can you say the same about GOG?

Coming full circle: If games become client-dependent, which they do now on GOG, then I'd rather bet my money on the Steam platform. Fun fact: I boycotted Steam for 15 years(!); finally bought my first game (PUBG) in 2018. This summer, I already spent twice as much $$$ on their platform as I did here.
Post edited July 11, 2023 by g2222
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g2222: Maybe it is time to accept that our supply of "good old and drm-free games" is running dry. Steam is a thing since 2003. More and more games required online registration and authentication ("DRM"). Online multiplayer gradually replaced LAN sessions. Now, some modern games even offer hybrid single- & multiplayer experiences, where random other players may drop in and out of your game at any time. That means no classic "campaign" anymore either.
GOG has had the reality of either removed multiplayer or Galaxy dependent multiplayer since it launched. It's been an expected and accepted aspect of the service since forever. The only reason this release is getting any attention in that regard is because its dumb bot match mode is called "skirmish" and people are either ignorant of what that means or using it as a way to bash GOG for their supposed DRM flirtations.

GOG is still the only store that cares a wit about DRM free and yet all most people here want to do is attack them 24/7 for every tiny questionable thing.
Post edited July 11, 2023 by StingingVelvet
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g2222: Maybe it is time to accept that our supply of "good old and drm-free games" is running dry. Steam is a thing since 2003. More and more games required online registration and authentication ("DRM"). Online multiplayer gradually replaced LAN sessions. Now, some modern games even offer hybrid single- & multiplayer experiences, where random other players may drop in and out of your game at any time. That means no classic "campaign" anymore either.
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StingingVelvet: GOG has had the reality of either removed multiplayer or Galaxy dependent multiplayer since it launched. It's been an expected and accepted aspect of the service since forever. The only reason this release is getting any attention in that regard is because its dumb bot match mode is called "skirmish" and people are either ignorant of what that means or using it as a way to bash GOG for their supposed DRM flirtations.

GOG is still the only store that cares a wit about DRM free and yet all most people here want to do is attack them 24/7 for every tiny questionable thing.
This is why I am fighting as hard as I can so we can finally get 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free multiplayer.

It is costing a lot of money, but even if it never happens at least I tried. So at least I got that going. May be one day we will have it.
Post edited July 11, 2023 by Johnathanamz
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StingingVelvet: GOG has had the reality of either removed multiplayer or Galaxy dependent multiplayer since it launched. It's been an expected and accepted aspect of the service since forever. The only reason this release is getting any attention in that regard is because its dumb bot match mode is called "skirmish" and people are either ignorant of what that means or using it as a way to bash GOG for their supposed DRM flirtations.

GOG is still the only store that cares a wit about DRM free and yet all most people here want to do is attack them 24/7 for every tiny questionable thing.
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Johnathanamz: This is why I am fighting as hard as I can so we can finally get 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free multiplayer.

It is costing a lot of money, but even if it never happens at least I tried. So at least I got that going. May be one day we will have it.
It's only going to get worse with MP. Even more, because MS won its FTC case.
Post edited July 11, 2023 by Syphon72
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g2222: Maybe it is time to accept that our supply of "good old and drm-free games" is running dry. Steam is a thing since 2003. More and more games required online registration and authentication ("DRM"). Online multiplayer gradually replaced LAN sessions. Now, some modern games even offer hybrid single- & multiplayer experiences, where random other players may drop in and out of your game at any time. That means no classic "campaign" anymore either.
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StingingVelvet: GOG has had the reality of either removed multiplayer or Galaxy dependent multiplayer since it launched.
If and only if you convenienty ignore all games that didn't have their multiplayer removed and aren't dependent on galaxy.

GOG is still the only store that cares a wit about DRM free and yet all most people here want to do is attack them 24/7 for every tiny questionable thing.
Funny.. they could offer DRM-free multiplayer, but they choose not to.