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Posted February 11, 2021
This probably isn't a helpful post, but I haven't found anything that has stopped working on 20H2 as yet. That being said, most of what I'm playing at the moment is either in DosBox or released after 2008; so nothing in the "risk years" of 1997-2002.


On the other discussion topic here, I'm surprised about the current concern over DirectX 9 - I had thought it hasn't been included in Windows 10 for some time (on a new install, I always have to go looking for the DirectX9 redistributable to make old games work). Am I missing something - I mean, are MS making it incompatible, or has it really been included for years and I've just not known...
Posted February 11, 2021
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Ruvika: That's actually the function of Windows Updates, I always have problems with my older games, often it solve with a new Update but until then you have to be patient, that's why I prefer Windows 7 and XP.
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craig_s_russell: I 110% agree that Windows 7 and XP are the preferred platform for older games. Unfortunately I don't have access to these. I'm not sufficiently skilled in technology to get a multi-boot PC configured. I've tried Oracle's VirtualBox and been less than impressed with it's capabilities. And finally the other VM products cost more than I want to spend on hobby like gaming.

Have you encountered any specific games which don't work on version 20H2?
I don't know much about virtual machines, once I tried to use one but didn't recognized my Graphics Card, so I take some old parts and build a couple of "legacy computers" one with Windows XP and another one with Windows 7, used to play older titles but GOG got much better compatibility with games in moderns system so it's much comfortable.
I haven't experience any problems so far with version 20H2, but other times I suffer problems with source ports of Doom or some mods with Heroes of Might and Magic, it's very annoying but no game breaking, let's cross our fingers and touch wood to stay that way.
Posted February 11, 2021
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Darvond: Of course it breaks things. The DX9 component installer being discontinued should be sign enough.

The best way to postpone the update is to lay it off entirely and hire a better worker, like Linux. Thanks to the works of Valve via Proton, Wine has made crazy strides in the last few years, giving parity or even better performance than many native games.
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.Ra: Linux is awful and no one uses it. Wine is just using a windows version and not an actual real native version for linux. Performance is actually worse most of the time, if the topic creator wants backwards compatibility it's not a good idea to use linux since backward compatibility is basically non existent on it.
dunno much about linux backward comp , but somehow all these linux distros die when i try to update them after a year of no use , way way way worse than win updates

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thegreyshadow: So far it's fine with the exception of The Witcher 3, which gave me a BSOD Kernel Security Check Failure. It's the first BSOD ever I had with Windows 10.
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olnorton: I've been playing Witcher 3 on 20H2 without any problems.
yeah probably it is not game related
Post edited February 11, 2021 by Orkhepaj
Posted February 11, 2021
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Orkhepaj: dunno much about linux backward comp , but somehow all these linux distros die when i try to update them after a year of no use , way way way worse than win updates

yeah probably it is not game related
Maybe quit picking random offshoots of Alpine Linux and pick something more mainline such as Slackware or the Redhat based Fedora.
Posted February 11, 2021
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Orkhepaj: dunno much about linux backward comp , but somehow all these linux distros die when i try to update them after a year of no use , way way way worse than win updates

yeah probably it is not game related
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Darvond: Maybe quit picking random offshoots of Alpine Linux and pick something more mainline such as Slackware or the Redhat based Fedora.
why? manjaro usually has the latest stuffs , i bet these problems would happen with other distros

btw is it common for linux to nearly everything is outdated? then i check something nothing is the same as with the current apps
Post edited February 11, 2021 by Orkhepaj
Posted February 11, 2021
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craig_s_russell: The lack of DX9 support is troubling, but in fairness it was released for Windows 98 and XP in 2002, 19 years ago. As mentioned above, I expect dgVoodoo, ScummVM and ResidualVM will eventually address the lack of DX9 support in version 20H2. But it's the games that are not supported by these tools that most concern me.

I hope this clarifies my question. :-)
What do you mean? DirectX9 needs to be installed separately on all versions of Windows 10. Is there something (old) games related that has changed compared to previous versions of W10?

And PS: All feature updates (only) can be blocked indefinitely. If it's important to you; google it and put in the work - it's not a "standard function".

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Ruvika: I don't know much about virtual machines, once I tried to use one but didn't recognized my Graphics Card...
VMs are great for old 2D games or really old 3D games. For everything else, try DirectX/Glide wrappers or mods. Personally, I don't use them for games - Everything (old games) I have works fine with or without some tweaking in Windows 10 itself.
Post edited February 11, 2021 by teceem
Posted February 11, 2021
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Orkhepaj: why? manjaro usually has the latest stuffs , i bet these problems would happen with other distros

btw is it common for linux to nearly everything is outdated? then i check something nothing is the same as with the current apps
Debian based, yes. Their entire philosophy is Staleness=Stability.

Since Ubuntu is based on an old release of Debian, and Mint is based on an old release of Ubuntu, you can figure what happens.

As for Manjaro, you may want to consider switching from that, since it's a sinking ship and Arch really isn't that complicated.
Posted February 11, 2021
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olnorton: I've been playing Witcher 3 on 20H2 without any problems.
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Orkhepaj: yeah probably it is not game related
Nice to know.
There have been some reports of this BSOD with TW3, just google them.

TW3 is buggy to me: difficulties to route sound through HDMI, cutscenes not playing, among others.
But then, my GPU is Intel UHD 620 and I'm optimizing things below "low" graphics settings so...
Posted February 11, 2021
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Orkhepaj: why? manjaro usually has the latest stuffs , i bet these problems would happen with other distros

btw is it common for linux to nearly everything is outdated? then i check something nothing is the same as with the current apps
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Darvond: Debian based, yes. Their entire philosophy is Staleness=Stability.

Since Ubuntu is based on an old release of Debian, and Mint is based on an old release of Ubuntu, you can figure what happens.

As for Manjaro, you may want to consider switching from that, since it's a sinking ship and Arch really isn't that complicated.
why is it sinking? i just used it for testing linux gaming and etc.
if i would need linux i would use debian or centos and just install things i need
i dont even get why ubuntu is famous ,why use it over debian?
Post edited February 11, 2021 by Orkhepaj
Posted February 11, 2021
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Orkhepaj: why is it sinking? i just used it for testing linux gaming and etc.
if i would need linux i would use debian or centos and just install things i need
i dont even get why ubuntu is famous ,why use it over debian?
Manjaro is sinking due to various dramas having occured leading to turmoil and turnover.
Posted February 11, 2021
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Orkhepaj: why is it sinking? i just used it for testing linux gaming and etc.
if i would need linux i would use debian or centos and just install things i need
i dont even get why ubuntu is famous ,why use it over debian?
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Darvond: Manjaro is sinking due to various dramas having occured leading to turmoil and turnover.
hmm good to know thx , so any recommendation what linux should i try out ? popos?
and which is the best gui? i so far used kde and xfce and cinnamon with mint , i dont even get why so many are there most look the same...
Posted February 11, 2021
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Orkhepaj: hmm good to know thx , so any recommendation what linux should i try out ? popos?
Pop! OS is based on Ubuntu, so there's that.
Posted February 12, 2021
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Orkhepaj: hmm good to know thx , so any recommendation what linux should i try out ? popos?
and which is the best gui? i so far used kde and xfce and cinnamon with mint , i dont even get why so many are there most look the same...
The distro is literally irrelevant to what GUI you get. This is what makes so many Ubuntu spinoffs worthless. Kubuntu, Xubutu, WhateverBuntu; they're literally the same thing with a different starting desktop. (This is also why I prefer Fedora calling them spins rather than wholecloth treating them as entirely separate distributions.)

At most, the distro choice will affect what the dotfiles come with; varying wildly from upstream default to riced out the wazoo. (And availability, depending on code freedom and maintainability.)

And installing new environments is a trivial matter. As of Fedora 31, the Fedora distribution featured 38 desktops and window managers to choose from.

There is no right choice; it's all down to what you prefer in personal needs, package management, and other factors.

Do you want something Arch based? Deb vs RPM? What philosophy of updating do you prefer? I absolutely loathe the policy of Boutique Staleness Debian provides as doctrine, so I went with the near bleeding testbed of Fedora. New features come in regularly, but it isn't a constant roll like Arch.
Post edited February 12, 2021 by Darvond
Posted February 12, 2021
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Darvond: As for Manjaro, you may want to consider switching from that, since it's a sinking ship
Out of curiosity: what does that mean? Sinking ship in what way? Are the developers abandoning it or what?

Just asking as I've been trying out Manjaro both on Raspberry Pi and in VirtualBox; then again I've also been testing e.g. FreeBSD lately so...

Just looking at alternatives after what IBM did with CentOS recently, and how Canonical keeps promoting the idea that "Ubuntu has nothing to do with Linux!", so I don't know if they will suddenly decide to go the same route as IBM with RHEL etc...

Running FreeBSD (in VirtualBox) felt interesting, in that it felt like installing and configuring Linux 15 years ago or something. :) It didn't even come with any kind of windowing system so I had to google how to install a GUI for FreeBSD. Oh and sudo had to be installed separately as well. Maybe *BSD is more at home in servers than in home desktop use, but I'll experiment... I am mainly testing it as a server alternative for Linux, though.

On the positive note, I liked that e.g. ZFS became as a standard option for FreeBSD, already in the installation phase. So I went with ZFS as the filesystem, even for root.
Post edited February 12, 2021 by timppu
Posted February 12, 2021
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timppu: -plonk-
Well, the short TL;DR is that there's something of a problem beyond the (typical) yelling egos.

Like personally funding items from the public pool.

I've provided this, so you can come to your own conclusions and research.
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