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In order for someone to have human rights, it is generally required as a typical prerequisite to have "humans", too. That aside, if someone can set in stone and enforce systematically to OTHERS only, human rights, without the need of self inspection or answering to OTHERS on EQUAL TERMS, then there is no facking need or point for applying those to self, too. Ergo, this is what everyone perceives as DOUBLE STANDARDS. Fundamental part of modern societies; goes well with hypocrisy, also...
Post edited June 30, 2016 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
Why is Bradley in here? He's a bigot. He openly promotes his personal belief that ethnicity, gender, and sexual orientation should dictate whether someone has rights or not.

More to the point, he isn't human.
Post edited June 30, 2016 by tinyE
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tinyE: More to the point, he isn't human.
Is anyone in the US? You are a Cthuhlu-Avatar, the rest might as well be a mixture of corporate drones and alien invaders, for all I have learned from Hollywood.
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tinyE: More to the point, he isn't human.
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Lifthrasil: Is anyone in the US? You are a Cthuhlu-Avatar, the rest might as well be a mixture of corporate drones and alien invaders, for all I have learned from Hollywood.
What is wrong with Alien invaders?

And Bradley isn't from the States. God I hope he isn't!
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Lifthrasil: Is anyone in the US? You are a Cthuhlu-Avatar, the rest might as well be a mixture of corporate drones and alien invaders, for all I have learned from Hollywood.
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tinyE: What is wrong with Alien invaders?

And Bradley isn't from the States. God I hope he isn't!
He's from 'other'. So he's one of those alien invaders, I think.
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tinyE: Does anyone talk about gaming in this forum any more?
Lead by example? ;)
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WBGhiro: Is there any country in the world withou this problem?
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Petrell: In most western countries authorities require court order in order to perform surveilance on their OWN citizens. Heck, even accessing persons personal records without getting permission first can and often will get you sacked (hospital staff can only access your medical reports if you give persmission or if you not in condition to and they are needed for your threatment. Police can't access your records unless you are suspected of something or if have you have commited a crime they need to update the records etc.).
I think what he meant is more along the lines of "Is there any country in the world the NSA isn't spying on?". :)
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bram1253: Belgium for example.
And a lot of other European countries because mass surveillance is illegal there.
Granted some European countries still have mass surveillance but its illegal.

Its not a honeypot, if you don't believe me feel free to check out my source.
It's illegal here too. Hence the big deals about the NSA being exposed by Snowden on Wikileaks, and so many laws getting shot down in congress trying to expand the abilities to monitor of the NSA and CIA. Just because they do it doesn't make it legal. It's known about and attempted to be curtailed. It violates our rights as well as stated by our own Bill of Rights. The fourth amendment protects against unlawful search and seizure, and mass monitoring certainly falls under that.
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Avogadro6: I think what he meant is more along the lines of "Is there any country in the world the NSA isn't spying on?". :)
Is there countries that don't spy on other countries at least to some extend (at bare minimium they monitor net trafic and other communications for illegal and other suspicious activity)? Obviously most of them don't go as far as NSA and listen to phones of their allies' presidents. :-p
Does any country have those really?
I don't understand the issue of spying on your own citizens. A security service should be as vigilant in securing its citizens from domestic threats as foreign threats.

That said, this issue is far worse than mass surveillance IMO:

Article 24.

Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

In Sweden but I'm guessing in rest of Europe too there's a common practice now that you are not hired through the company who purchase your labour but instead by a mediator. The consequences? Less protection and less pay for workers.
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drewpants: -snip-
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bram1253: But if it happens, at least we can sue our governments if they breaks human right violations.
But even if they break a few, America breaks 9/30 of those laws!
As has already been pointed out, I think several of your points can be pretty substantially contested, so I'm not going to rehash those arguments.

I will say however that the US does a lot of things right as well, it at least tries to ensure basic freedoms for its citizens. Equally, what do you think of Russia's stance on homosexuality, or the EU's hideous handling of refugees at present?

I know it's tempting to take shot at the US, but there are plenty of other high-profile nations that have dubious policies.
It's a tough question, but I think once Steve Rogers received the serum, he ceased to technically be human and needed a set of rules more suited to his individual circumstances and responsibilities. Then again, where does a human become superhuman? We could easily end up oppressing harmless X-Men for simply being different by not defining where that line is.

Also, no one can convince me that this thread isn't secretly about Captain America.
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drewpants: While some of those issues are certainly eye-opening to say the least, I'd be surprised if there is any nation state that hasn't infringed on human rights laws in one way or another. ...
While this is probably true it tells not much about how intensive some nations violate the humans rights and other don't. I mean, surely there is a huge difference between Norway and Greenland on one side and nations like North Korea, China, Russia and to some extent even USA on the other side.

It's probably quite important to measure that quantitatively if possible.
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227: It's a tough question, but I think once Steve Rogers received the serum, he ceased to technically be human and needed a set of rules more suited to his individual circumstances and responsibilities. Then again, where does a human become superhuman? We could easily end up oppressing harmless X-Men for simply being different by not defining where that line is.

Also, no one can convince me that this thread isn't secretly about Captain America.
Judging by the internet certainly seems that some ex-men feel oppressed.