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TheNamelessOne_PL: Do you *really* feel like you own your GOG games?

I love GOG and the concept of owning games. But do I really own them?

Things to consider:

1. I am dependant on GOG servers and my hard drives. As long as GOG is still up, I can redownload my games at any time. However, the store may close at one point or another. So the other source of ownership of those games are my hard drives. Here's the problem. I have over 200 games in my GOG library. It would take a considerable amount of hard drive space to back them all up. But then, I would need to back them up three, perhaps four times, in case one of my drives goes the way of the dodo.

2. Video games are just strings of 0's and 1's. Can you really, "own" those?

3. Will they still be playable on a computer from 2045? If a game becomes unplayable due to software changes, ot's effectively as if you didn't own it, at all.

Like, recently, I claimed the two giveaway games GOG gave us. Do I REALLY "own" those games? What do you think?

To clarify, by, "own a game", I mean owning a COPY of it, not of the game itself.

Do you feel like you *own* your GOG content? Why or why not?
Really even drm free. You will never really own your game. Same for music, film. Same book. Whether dematerialized or even physical. A cultural property does not belong to you unless you are the creator or the publisher. The buyer just has a user license (even for books).
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Orkhepaj: but here you just rent games indefinitely, legally it can be revoked anytime just like on Steam
the only difference is the ability to download offline installers without authentication part
And how does that compare to other places that allow you to purchase games ?.
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TheNamelessOne_PL: 1. I am dependant on GOG servers and my hard drives.

2. Video games are just strings of 0's and 1's. Can you really, "own" those?

3. Will they still be playable on a computer from 2045? If a game becomes unplayable due to software changes, ot's effectively as if you didn't own it, at all.
1. This is no different than owning a CD or having a console copy. As long as you have the disk which can warp and fail overtime you own the game. You run the risk of not being able to get a new disk down the line just like you run the risk of not having access to download your files or lose your files completely.

With GOG you can infinitely copy the files and make backups whereas the console games you cannot, you can only buy a new copy.

2. This goes to a legal construct; you own the hard drive therefore everything on the hard drive is yours. And anything that's ever been written to that hard drive is yours and attributed to you. It's not about the ones and zeros it's about where they're located. That could be on your phone, in cloud storage, a server in Zurich or in a static bag in your desk.

3. Not true about not owning it at all. You bought it you used it just like if you bought a spoon and the spoon broke or got worn out. You throw away things that are broken, you don't drive cars after they catch fire, or the engines die, and you can't afford to fix them or know how to fix them. You get rid of those things and buy new. I'm on my 4th car, I've owned three cars before this 4th car.

The only way the games will not be compatible is if Microsoft decided to not support old libraries and somebody doesn't write or create a wrapper to render the old technologies in a new way. It's why 16-bit programs no longer work; it's why we once had a lot of trouble with old 3dfx titles. That said operating systems like Linux have remained compatible going back to windows 3.1 through emulation. Hardware is no longer a wall for that emulation. But you are correct in time these will no longer be playable, it's a great reason why you don't let your collection get too big.

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Personally, my faith is in Linux, I have a secondary drive I used to boot into a Linux environment and can emulate windows games from any era. I pretty much played all my 90s and early Millennium games to death and I'm happy with not playing them any longer and just focusing on more current titles. It's a paradigm shift, yes, I love having a large library and picking from that what I want to play at any time, but do I want to be stuck in the past or look to the future and enjoy what's now?
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Orkhepaj: but here you just rent games indefinitely, legally it can be revoked anytime just like on Steam
the only difference is the ability to download offline installers without authentication part
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Trooper1270: And how does that compare to other places that allow you to purchase games ?.
other stores are not as political and they are not hanging on a total collapse and bankruptcy so not well I assume
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TheNamelessOne_PL: 1. I am dependant on GOG servers and my hard drives.

2. Video games are just strings of 0's and 1's. Can you really, "own" those?

3. Will they still be playable on a computer from 2045? If a game becomes unplayable due to software changes, ot's effectively as if you didn't own it, at all.
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Starkrun: 1. This is no different than owning a CD or having a console copy. As long as you have the disk which can warp and fail overtime you own the game. You run the risk of not being able to get a new disk down the line just like you run the risk of not having access to download your files or lose your files completely.

With GOG you can infinitely copy the files and make backups whereas the console games you cannot, you can only buy a new copy.

2. This goes to a legal construct; you own the hard drive therefore everything on the hard drive is yours. And anything that's ever been written to that hard drive is yours and attributed to you. It's not about the ones and zeros it's about where they're located. That could be on your phone, in cloud storage, a server in Zurich or in a static bag in your desk.

3. Not true about not owning it at all. You bought it you used it just like if you bought a spoon and the spoon broke or got worn out. You throw away things that are broken, you don't drive cars after they catch fire, or the engines die, and you can't afford to fix them or know how to fix them. You get rid of those things and buy new. I'm on my 4th car, I've owned three cars before this 4th car.

The only way the games will not be compatible is if Microsoft decided to not support old libraries and somebody doesn't write or create a wrapper to render the old technologies in a new way. It's why 16-bit programs no longer work; it's why we once had a lot of trouble with old 3dfx titles. That said operating systems like Linux have remained compatible going back to windows 3.1 through emulation. Hardware is no longer a wall for that emulation. But you are correct in time these will no longer be playable, it's a great reason why you don't let your collection get too big.

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Personally, my faith is in Linux, I have a secondary drive I used to boot into a Linux environment and can emulate windows games from any era. I pretty much played all my 90s and early Millennium games to death and I'm happy with not playing them any longer and just focusing on more current titles. It's a paradigm shift, yes, I love having a large library and picking from that what I want to play at any time, but do I want to be stuck in the past or look to the future and enjoy what's now?
imho you are very wrong with everything
Post edited June 15, 2022 by Orkhepaj
Yes. No more and no less than with the old physical supports.

Actually, it's even a bit more convenient: I can copy them as many times as I like, so if one support fails (as they all do, eventually) I can be relatively safe even if GOG were to shut down.
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Orkhepaj: other stores are not as political and they are not hanging on a total collapse and bankruptcy so not well I assume
I'm not sure how that relates to your 'apparent' belief that games that are purchased on GoG are rented indefinitely. But then go on to contradict that by then saying that they are allowed the ability to download offline installers without authentication...

Hmmm!, ok...
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TheNamelessOne_PL: So do you guys think I can enjoy my GOG collection with full conscience? Without any feeling of guilt/regret?
Why do you think you are asking those questions?
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Orkhepaj: other stores are not as political and they are not hanging on a total collapse and bankruptcy so not well I assume
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Trooper1270: I'm not sure how that relates to your 'apparent' belief that games that are purchased on GoG are rented indefinitely. But then go on to contradict that by then saying that they are allowed the ability to download offline installers without authentication...

Hmmm!, ok...
if you cant think i cant help you sorry
just go and read what you are actually buying on gog
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TheNamelessOne_PL: Do you *really* feel like you own your GOG games?
Yes.
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TheNamelessOne_PL: 1. I am dependant on GOG servers and my hard drives.
No.
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TheNamelessOne_PL: 2. Video games are just strings of 0's and 1's. Can you really, "own" those?
Yes.
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TheNamelessOne_PL: 3. Will they still be playable on a computer from 2045?
Irrelevant to ownership.
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ssokolow: Not quite. Games are copyrightable. NFTs probably aren't (kink to an actual lawyer's take on them).

Owning an NFT is more like owning a receipt for a purchase.
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Orkhepaj: at least you own something there even if it is just a link

but here you just rent games indefinitely, legally it can be revoked anytime just like on Steam
the only difference is the ability to download offline installers without authentication part
1. They can't reach into your inbox and delete the e-mail that serves as a purchase record or reach into your hard drive and delete the offline installer.

2. I wouldn't be so sure about that with NFTs. (TL;DR: Because of the massive and ever-growing storage requirements for the blockchain, more and more people are delegating to intermediaries like the OpenSea API who can and do revoke things, resulting in effects equivalent to Steam for any app that relies on them.)
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Orkhepaj: if you cant think i cant help you sorry
just go and read what you are actually buying on gog
Read what exactly, and where ?.
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TheNamelessOne_PL: Do you *really* feel like you own your GOG games?
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Telika: Yes.
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TheNamelessOne_PL: 1. I am dependant on GOG servers and my hard drives.
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Telika: No.
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TheNamelessOne_PL: 2. Video games are just strings of 0's and 1's. Can you really, "own" those?
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Telika: Yes.
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TheNamelessOne_PL: 3. Will they still be playable on a computer from 2045?
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Telika: Irrelevant to ownership.
Irrelevant to ownership? What good is a game I can't play?
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More or less yes.
I mean, I have like 500 "DRM free" blu-ray movies but my house could burn down or get hit by a tornado. There's no 100% anything.

I think a digital library with a relatively large company that you can also make local DRM free backups of is about as close to 100% ownership as you can get.
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Telika: Yes.

No.

Yes.

Irrelevant to ownership.
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TheNamelessOne_PL: Irrelevant to ownership? What good is a game I can't play?
The fact that you can play it or not isn't related to ownership. You can own a broken chair, a spent battery, and a dead cow.