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I know people will hate on me for this topic but i have seen a person here claim that teenagers under 18 shouldnt play PEGI 18 games

I find that a very weird stance. These ratings are just indications, not objective statements. I played my first PEGI 18 game at 14 and i am fine

If anything, negative behaviour i used to have to deal with at achool was much worse than anything i ever saw in video games.

In the middle ages teenagers used to lead arnies to war and yet here we are, safe healthy and sound, we haven't destroyed civilization yet
Post edited November 18, 2020 by GeraltOfRivia_PL
Teenagers under 18 shouldn't buy or play games at all, because most of them don't deserve to. They should be put to work in useful occupations (e.g. in coal mines or as chimney sweeps).

And this
"I played my first PEGI 18 game at 14 and i am fine "
seems like a pretty bold and possibly unfounded statement to me.
Post edited November 18, 2020 by morolf
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GeraltOfRivia_PL: I find that a very weird stance. These ratings are just indications, not objective statements. I played my first PEGI 18 game at 14 and i am fine

If anything, negative behaviour i used to have to deal with at achool was much worse than anything i ever saw in video games.

In the middle ages teenagers used to lead arnies to war and yet here we are, safe healthy and sound, we haven't destroyed civilization yet
Everything you said there directly contradicts and is completely antithetical to the thread you made a few months ago on this very same board, in which you said that videos games are evil and dangerous and harmful to civilization because you can "murder so many people" (I'm paraphrasing a bit, but your words were very close to something like that that) in them.

This contradiction proves to me that you are not making these threads because you genuinely believe the stuff that you post.
Post edited November 18, 2020 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
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GeraltOfRivia_PL: .
IMO age ratings are generally for lazy parents who don't want to review everything and instead rely on the ratings of strangers for what's appropriate for their kids. They're meant as broad guidelines which should obviously always take a back seat to any particular individual's situation. There are mature teens and immature adults out there.... nothing is one size fits all.
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GeraltOfRivia_PL: I find that a very weird stance. These ratings are just indications, not objective statements. I played my first PEGI 18 game at 14 and i am fine

If anything, negative behaviour i used to have to deal with at achool was much worse than anything i ever saw in video games.

In the middle ages teenagers used to lead arnies to war and yet here we are, safe healthy and sound, we haven't destroyed civilization yet
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Everything you said there directly contradicts and is completely antithetical to the thread you made a few months ago on this very same board, in which you said that videos games are evil and dangerous and harmful to civilization because you can "murder so many people" (I'm paraphrasing a bit, but your words were very close to something like that that) in them.

This contradiction proves to me that you are not making these threads because you genuinely believe the stuff that you post.
Nothing contradictory. I asked whether games desensitize people.

Also, Heraclit of Ephesus once said everything flows and it is not possible to enter the same river twice.
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GeraltOfRivia_PL: .
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BlueMooner: IMO age ratings are generally for lazy parents who don't want to review everything and instead rely on the ratings of strangers for what's appropriate for their kids. They're meant as broad guidelines which should obviously always take a back seat to any particular individual's situation. There are mature teens and immature adults out there.... nothing is one size fits all.
When I was a child (ie: pre-teen) my brothers and I used to watch and enjoy movies that were rated 18 that 10 years later were only classed as 15. Many of the PG movies we watched were later changed to 15. A lot of these ratings change over time anyway depending on who's doing the reviewing.

A vid on youtube I recommend is "Labyrinth - Nostalgia Critic", as the intro they do for the first few mins is hilarious and sums it up perfectly :)
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GeraltOfRivia_PL: I played my first PEGI 18 game at 14 and i am fine
Was it Cyberpunk 2077?
Teenagers shouldn't be allowed to be under 18. It's indecent.
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GeraltOfRivia_PL: I know people will hate on me for this topic but i have seen a person here claim that teenagers under 18 shouldnt play PEGI 18 games

I find that a very weird stance. These ratings are just indications, not objective statements. I played my first PEGI 18 game at 14 and i am fine

If anything, negative behaviour i used to have to deal with at achool was much worse than anything i ever saw in video games.

In the middle ages teenagers used to lead arnies to war and yet here we are, safe healthy and sound, we haven't destroyed civilization yet
Lets start with the obvious, Geralt

Source?
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GeraltOfRivia_PL: I played my first PEGI 18 game at 14 and i am fine
You are not fine. One of those games that you were too young to be playing caused you a lot of trauma. It has to be why you try to start so many discussions. I suspect it was one of the Postal games.
Post edited November 18, 2020 by DoomSooth
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GeraltOfRivia_PL: I find that a very weird stance. These ratings are just indications, not objective statements. I played my first PEGI 18 game at 14 and i am fine

If anything, negative behaviour i used to have to deal with at achool was much worse than anything i ever saw in video games.
May I quote from one of your previous threads?

Are video games desensitizing?
Here's a quick example. I am playing Skyrim for the first time ever. I am quite early into the game, on that part where you fight a dragon in Riverrun. I check my stats and i see i have killed 17 people so far.

17 people. Breathing, living human beings, some of whom have families and friends. Keep in mind, i am very early into the game. And yet already have i deprived 17 fellow humans of their lives.

This gets worse in other games. In Total War and Europa Universalis, for instance, people die by the thousands in every battle. People with famillies, friends, lovers. All dead because you wanted to seize some land. All worm food now
What sort of school did you go to that slaughtering thousands of people, leaving myriads of orphan children and littering the world with corpses good only for worm-food is minor in comparison?

Then again, perhaps one of your classmates went by the name Adolf.
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DoomSooth: It has to be why you try to start so many discussions.
There's a problem with starting many discussions??
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morolf: Teenagers under 18 shouldn't buy or play games at all, because most of them don't deserve to. They should be put to work in useful occupations (e.g. in coal mines or as chimney sweeps).
yeah and clean our toilets. perhaps clean the windows of Burj Khalifa - all 162 floors.
Please stay on topic. If you are not interested, do not participate.
When I was under age I always played whatever I wanted to play and I still think I was right. My parents were and are against video games in general but they never cared about PEGI /ratings.
I can understand why a parent don't want their child to play something like gta (that I actually never liked as a kid or now... I still prefer fantasy rpg and cyberpunk scifi). But kids always find a way to get things not for them anyways. The main thing to do as parents is to just educate them to understand what is right or wrong about something they want to play.

Also I really don't think PEGI and rating in general is accurate... They worry far too much about nude content (that children will not understand and will not find interesting anyway) and violence (you usually find more cruel thing in the real world in the news) and far too little about what children will find interesting to play.

Censorship is not an answer, it just try to hide what adults think is wrong when you actually need to explain to children what is wrong (they are children, they are not stupid).

Child usually are more into something like pokemon than gta anyway...

Teenagers are different, they are not children anymore, ratings will not stop them and I see no reason for them to be under restrictions. Teens will find anything prohibited interesting so any restrictions will get them to be interested in that kind of stuff.

Adults usually don't actually find teens 18+ stuff like gta that interesting (I find it really childish to be honest... Too stupid and over the top to be really interesting), usually adults find things from their childhood and intellectual slow stuff more interesting than gore and pure violence. The shock value is a thing only when you are a teenager and you never saw it a million times.

That's why I don't really think is wrong for under age to play or watch 18+ stuff.
I usually just find annoying when I want to play or watch something made also for children and I find censorship... The same feeling from 10 years ago when I was still 17