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Crosmando: Subspace probably doesn't even exist.
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amok: LInear subspace or are you looking for a new Dom
I mean the faster than light travel, warp, hyperdrives, wormholes etc, all the things they use to travel in sci-fi.
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Gudadantza: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If not more than extraordinary.
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amok: I know it is a phrase popularised by Karl Sagan, but it is, if you look at it, a bit silly. Any claim needs evidence, and evidence is evidence. What matters is the validity and sterenght of evidence to draw the conclusion as being more likely than other conclusions.

The problem with this statement is that it is very unclear what is meant by "extraordinary evidence", and what the standard should be. Sagan has said that the statement should be taken as a variation of Occam's Razor, i.e. that the simples sulotin is motly likely the correct one.

Personally i prefer Hitchens Razor "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.",
Well. I guess that extraordinary evidence just means an extraordinary number of observations. The nature of some claims would need a higher "zeal"

But you are right. Per se, an evidence is an evidence.
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amok: LInear subspace or are you looking for a new Dom
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Crosmando: I mean the faster than light travel, warp, hyperdrives, wormholes etc, all the things they use to travel in sci-fi.
well those exists , how else would aliens came here?
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Crosmando: Subspace probably doesn't even exist.
No kind of "space" exists, other than the sky.

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Mr.Mumbles: Considering how vast the universe is
But it isn't. People acquire the beliefs that is solely due to having received mass indoctrination from all aspects of society (i.e. the media, Hollywood, schools a.k.a. government brainwashing centers, etc).

And all of the images of "galaxies" and "black holes" and such are man-made artistic representations, not actual photographs or video footage.

Likewise, all alleged "space travel" events are hoaxes that are filmed on a Hollywood set.

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my name is supyreor catte: You have piqued my interest. Please tell me more about these demons.
The best thing to do would be to read the Bible and also the book of Enoch (which should also be in the Bible, and used to be, but was edited out of it by demon-serving humans).

The mainline Bible explains how a third of the angels sided with Lucifer and were kicked out of Heaven as consequence.

The Book of Enoch describes how some fallen angels (a.k.a demons) lusted after human women and mated with them, thus creating a race of Nephilim (a.k.a. half-human, half-demon giants).

Those demons also taught humans all kinds of advanced technologies which humans never would have been able to make on their own, like weapons of war...and surely also, the aircraft that comprise the alleged "UFOs" that are frequently mislabeled as "aliens."

Or some of the UFOs could also be the demons themselves flying without any aircrafts.
Post edited October 25, 2021 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
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Crosmando: Subspace probably doesn't even exist.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: No kind of "space" exists, other than the sky.

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Mr.Mumbles: Considering how vast the universe is
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: But it isn't. People acquire the beliefs that is solely due to having received mass indoctrination from all aspects of society (i.e. the media, Hollywood, schools a.k.a. government brainwashing centers, etc).

And all of the images of "galaxies" and "black holes" and such are man-made artistic representations, not actual photographs or video footage.

Likewise, all alleged "space travel" events are hoaxes that are filmed on a Hollywood set.
Are you trolling dude? There are thousands of images from space telescopes pointed out to space like the Hubble.
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Crosmando: Are you trolling dude? There are thousands of images from space telescopes pointed out to space like the Hubble.
Absolutely not. There are thousands of fake images, yes indeed. There is no such thing as real photographs from space, nor is there such a thing as "the Hubble" either.

Even the creator of the most famous alleged image of earth, "Blue Marble," is on record saying "it is photoshopped, but it has to be!"

And if you stack all the official images from NASA side by side of the alleged globe earth as released to the media in different years, they all have vastly different continent sizes and colors, and copy & pasted cloud formations too...all of which is definitive proof that they are 100% fake artists' drawings, and cannot possibly be photographs.
Post edited October 25, 2021 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
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Crosmando: Are you trolling dude? There are thousands of images from space telescopes pointed out to space like the Hubble.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Absolutely not. There are thousands of fake images, yes indeed. There is no such thing as real photographs from space, nor is there such a thing as "the Hubble" either.

Even the creator of the most famous alleged image of earth, "Blue Marble," is on record saying "it is photoshopped, but it has to be!"

And if you stack all the official images from NASA side by side of the alleged globe earth as released to the media in different years, they all have vastly different continent sizes and colors, and copy & pasted cloud formations too...all of which is definitive proof that they are 100% fake artists' drawings, and cannot possibly be photographs.
exactly , i cant believe how some still can believe this hoax in 2021
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Crosmando: Are you trolling dude? There are thousands of images from space telescopes pointed out to space like the Hubble.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Absolutely not. There are thousands of fake images, yes indeed. There is no such thing as real photographs from space, nor is there such a thing as "the Hubble" either.

Even the creator of the most famous alleged image of earth, "Blue Marble," is on record saying "it is photoshopped, but it has to be!"

And if you stack all the official images from NASA side by side of the alleged globe earth as released to the media in different years, they all have vastly different continent sizes and colors, and copy & pasted cloud formations too...all of which is definitive proof that they are 100% fake artists' drawings, and cannot possibly be photographs.
The only true fact in all this nonsense you are defending is that the majority of the photographs are tweaked for pure practical visual reasons.

Depending the Nebula, for example, the images use to be treated with filters and are photographed from different light sources to be seen with the human eye and for the media.

Anyway I'd recomend you purchase a telescope. But sadly you will see planets. But not demons :D
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Crosmando: Subspace probably doesn't even exist.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: No kind of "space" exists, other than the sky.

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Mr.Mumbles: Considering how vast the universe is
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: But it isn't. People acquire the beliefs that is solely due to having received mass indoctrination from all aspects of society (i.e. the media, Hollywood, schools a.k.a. government brainwashing centers, etc).

And all of the images of "galaxies" and "black holes" and such are man-made artistic representations, not actual photographs or video footage.

Likewise, all alleged "space travel" events are hoaxes that are filmed on a Hollywood set.

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my name is supyreor catte: You have piqued my interest. Please tell me more about these demons.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: The best thing to do would be to read the Bible and also the book of Enoch (which should also be in the Bible, and used to be, but was edited out of it by demon-serving humans).

The mainline Bible explains how a third of the angels sided with Lucifer and were kicked out of Heaven as consequence.

The Book of Enoch describes how some fallen angels (a.k.a demons) lusted after human women and mated with them, thus creating a race of Nephilim (a.k.a. half-human, half-demon giants).

Those demons also taught humans all kinds of advanced technologies which humans never would have been able to make on their own, like weapons of war...and surely also, the aircraft that comprise the alleged "UFOs" that are frequently mislabeled as "aliens."

Or some of the UFOs could also be the demons themselves flying without any aircrafts.
I seriously hope you trolling or joking.
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Gudadantza: Depending the Nebula, for example, the images use to be treated with filters and are photographed from different light sources to be seen with the human eye and for the media.
But it's all false, especially the colors :P. Surely this must mean some larger conspiracy is at play! (*sarcasm*)

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Crosmando: Are you trolling dude? There are thousands of images from space telescopes pointed out to space like the Hubble.
No, he's that one guy in art class...
Post edited October 25, 2021 by WinterSnowfall
This is peak Internet right here. The only way to possibly improve it would be to have the Muppet Show theme play every time you open the thread.
Post edited October 25, 2021 by Breja
I love it love it love it. I love this thread!
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: ...
The Book of Enoch describes how some fallen angels (a.k.a demons) lusted after human women and mated with them, thus creating a race of Nephilim (a.k.a. half-human, half-demon giants).

Those demons also taught humans all kinds of advanced technologies which humans never would have been able to make on their own, like weapons of war...and surely also, the aircraft that comprise the alleged "UFOs" that are frequently mislabeled as "aliens."

Or some of the UFOs could also be the demons themselves flying without any aircrafts.
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Mafwek: I seriously hope you trolling or joking.
When I responded earlier in this thread to Ancient_Red_Dragon, the Book of Enoch is what I was referencing.

It's fine that he has a Biblical reading of "aliens"... who's to say at this point, right? If willing to accept Sumerian Annunaki legends as potentially revealing aspects of human-alien interaction, I'm willing to accept same from early Judeo-Christian accounts that mirror the phenomenon. Until we have concrete evidence to the contrary...

... probably pays to have an open mind.

(aside... The Book of Enoch -- and the reasons for it being left out of the Bible -- is fascinating)

As for the "Flat Earth"...

... I feel confident in evidence proving otherwise... and I think there's equally compelling evidence to prove we are on a planet in a vast multitude of other planets, moons, etc.
Post edited October 25, 2021 by kai2
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Gudadantza: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If not more than extraordinary.
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amok: I know it is a phrase popularised by Karl Sagan, but it is, if you look at it, a bit silly. Any claim needs evidence, and evidence is evidence. What matters is the validity and sterenght of evidence to draw the conclusion as being more likely than other conclusions.

The problem with this statement is that it is very unclear what is meant by "extraordinary evidence", and what the standard should be. Sagan has said that the statement should be taken as a variation of Occam's Razor, i.e. that the simples sulotin is motly likely the correct one.

Personally i prefer Hitchens Razor "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.",
Well everything is subjective. So what counts as "extraordinary"? Well what counts as "big" "small" "short" ""long", hell what even counts as "proof"? There is alot one could dive into with this philosophical metaphorical rabbit hole.

But surely you have some idea of what is meant by that? Extraordinary evidence means evidence that is very "strong" and hard to refute.

I disagree that saying extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof means the same as the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one. I disagree both that these are comparable expressions and of occums razor in general. Often it is the complex explanations that are correct more than the simply ones because reality is complex.

But if you are going to forge new extreme paths in understanding of our universe, you will need extreme proofs to go along with your claims. Extraterrestrials visiting earth is a extreme new understanding of our universe for most people.
Post edited October 25, 2021 by Hapygoo
Oh dear!, This isn't going well... o.0