Theoclymenus: Okay, "first-person shooter" is probably wide of the mark when describing the Elder Scrolls games. I suppose what I wanted to say is that they are really "action" RPGs in a first-person perspective, rather than old-school turn-based and / or D&D rules-based RPGs, such as the Infinity Engine games and earlier offerings which, for me, are "RPGs proper". When I started gaming, rightly or wrongly, everyone thought they "knew" which genre a game belonged to. Now it is much less clear than it used to be. I don't think that's a bad thing, by the way, it just makes the OP's question harder to answer. What IS a "role-playing game" exactly ?
Cavalary: With an older discussion over [url=http://www.mobygames.com/forums/dga,2/dgb,4/dgm,184501/]here (starting a bit further down).
The initial personal definition I put there was:
1. The player directly controls the characters through the actions of which the game progresses. (This would rule out strategy titles, sports management ones, etc.)
2.The player-controlled characters have a character sheet with statistics that, possibly in combination with player skill, determine their chance of successfully completing actions. (So may be just a virtual roll, click (or whatever) and the stats alone determine the outcome, or may be stats+skill, but not just skill.)
3.The player-controlled characters' statistics improve over the course of the game as a result of the player's actions. (May be simply exp gain from grinding, may be completing entirely optional side-quests, may be finding "secrets", may be many things, but the point is that they must develop and not only as a result of advancing the main plot.)
But then of course exceptions were pointed out even to that :))
I just saw your comment on VTMB and whether or not it qualifies as an RPG. I'm just about to start playing that game so it's interesting to read your opinion, which I have heard before elsewhere. Elsewhere I've heard it described as an "FPS adventure with role-playing elements". It was all a lot clearer 20 years ago, but that's because we didn't analyze everything so much !