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I think I'm just gonna post this here from the movie Reality Bites:

"There's no point to any of this, it's all just a random lottery of meaningless tragedy and a series of near escapes. So I take pleasure in the details. A Quarter Pounder with cheese, those are pretty good. The sky about ten minutes before it starts to rain. The moment when your laughter becomes a cackle and I sit back and I smoke my Camel Straights and I ride my own melt."
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kalirion: Communism: if everything is free, there is no need for wealth

Too bad the prerequisite is people being selfless and working for the common good for free, which ain't ever gonna happen. Unless we get robots to do all the work people don't want to do for free.
Cast a glimpse over countries who once had communism and study TWO things:
1) The state they had been while communism ruled there.
2) The state they have been left to today, after communist rule ended.

Stop gulping down raw whatever shit the instructors keep farting out of their mouth. Was conscripted to a communist youth once, but i left running outta their madhouse. Resist political-blindfolds, judge for yourself, read stuff that is not party-property; you can, too!
Post edited November 15, 2016 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
Bartender, a glass of your finest Raw Whatever Shit, shaken, not stirred.
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tinyE: Bartender, a glass of your finest Raw Whatever Shit, shaken, not stirred.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qtuwbGIwS40/VaDH8d2v_gI/AAAAAAABAvc/snSv12sHqgc/s640/wipe-butt-flag-facebook-575x520.png

Here, please! "Bottoms up"! Cheers and bon apetite! Finest taste of premium communism, aged 20 years (but never matures), leaves a refreshing afterbite! Twerks and drinks marijuana in free time also, so shaken-guaranteed, too!
Post edited November 15, 2016 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
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kalirion: Communism: if everything is free, there is no need for wealth

Too bad the prerequisite is people being selfless and working for the common good for free, which ain't ever gonna happen. Unless we get robots to do all the work people don't want to do for free.
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: Cast a glimpse over countries who once had communism and study TWO things:
1) The state they had been while communism ruled there.
2) The state they have been left to today, after communist rule ended.

Stop gulping down raw whatever shit the instructors keep farting out of their mouth. Was conscripted to a communist youth once, but i left running outta their madhouse. Resist political-blindfolds, judge for yourself, read stuff that is not party-property; you can, too!
Like I said in my prerequisite, communism would work if human nature was completely different from actual human nature.
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kalirion: Like I said in my prerequisite, communism would work if human nature was completely different from actual human nature.
I don't understand human nature. To me, it feels completely natural to take into consideration the common good in everything I do and to work, not for the money, but for what it brings to other people.
Post edited November 15, 2016 by DubConqueror
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Falci: Well, I've been struggling with a lot of questions of similar scope lately. Anyone that read my thread about how I hated my job and ended up fired from it about a month ago, knows I'm currently stuck trying to figure out what to do with my life..

So I believe that this mysterious Drive is the one thing I need to figure out to follow ahead and find the ultimate purpose of ultimate destiny in my life.
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Nirth: You have a background in IT right? In case you were interested in creating a company, I highly suggest you read Paul Graham's Essays. They are excellent. You might already know about him but if not, he's a successful computer programmer and venture capitalist but many of his articles help give advice to people who want to create rather than invest in a new start-up.
While the essays are worth reading, it is also important to note that he has said some sexist things.

http://valleywag.gawker.com/paul-graham-says-women-havent-been-hacking-for-the-pa-1490581236
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/12/paul-graham-revives-sexism-tech-talk/356541/

Of course, to be fair, maybe I should link a Paul Graham essay about bias.
http://www.paulgraham.com/bias.html
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kalirion: Like I said in my prerequisite, communism would work if human nature was completely different from actual human nature.
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DubConqueror: I don't understand human nature. To me, it feels completely natural to take into consideration the common good in everything I do and to work, not for the money, but for what it brings to other people.
What we call "human nature" is usually just the locally naturalized version of culture (that is, the local cultural values, internalized through socialization, and more or less dishonestly described as "natural" and "universal"). So, don't take this notion too seriously.

But still, there are some cognitive (biological, I'd say) limitations to the human's quest for the common good. Due to the fact that it's harder to care for more remote, abstract humans, especially if they are defined as different and other. People sacrifice their own good (to some extent) more easily when the results are concrete, and benefit humans from their own circles. The wider the system, the more people feel unfairly dispossessed in the profit of dubious aliens. And by dubious aliens (the invisible cogs of the redistribution machine).

Seriously, if you're part of a village (and/or family network), with its own redistribution solidarity system, and then some technocrats arrive parachuted from some administrative center, and start diverting your resources to unknown people based on unknown calculation, you might feel robbed. You might resist. And, in the name of super enlightened rationality, these technocrats may exert violence in return.

This is one aspect. "Human nature" (cognitive limitations) being, here, the fact that the (forced) participants in a system don't have access to the whole network of needs and solutions and to the human realities of that rational organisation's requirements. They don't have the global, god-like, overarching vision.

And the other problem is that these technocrats don't have it either, because such global rational vision is generally bullshit aswell (and very centered around needs and duties defined by the specific subculture in which these technocrats are produced). Clunky, dysfunctional, prone to being hijacked by well-positionned assholes (who feel they aren't doing much harm in the grand scheme of things), and being enforced with all the self-righteous violence that this sense of superior rationality seems to legitimize. Not to mention that, at the organisational center of the machinery, decision makers are fed with a little too intoxicating power (over their abstract little rearrangeable and expendable pawns of citizens)...

And even more, imagine this mess in a pre-digital world, where continent-sized organizations run on papers and stamps. Even with modern computers, the bigger the (administrative) machinery, the less it tolerates jiggling cogs. And humans jiggle. They are humans, they have their own lives, their everyday concerns and irreductible freedoms, they make bad cogs. That, more than nature, the human condition. The little room-for-breating required by a human is okay in a short organisational chain. In a huge centralized monster, these tiny individual human elasticities make the whole system shake along its chains and break or clog.

So, tiny causes (human's social horizons, global organisation hubris, individual everyday life agencies), related indeed to what sort of animal the human is, dooms the communist project from the start. Even if it took place in a global culture of benevolence and generosity.

Good intention is not enough. We'd also require, each one of us, a knowledge, and a "sense of the impact upon others", that far exceeds our abilities. Without that, the dedication can only be limited (and the organisation itself flawed).

Just to say, the human aspects that prevent communism to work are not some "evil, selfish nature of man". It cannot really work with good, well-intentionned people either.
Post edited November 15, 2016 by Telika
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Goodaltgamer: I do have a slight sarcastic person in me (Zeogold stop laughing!).
I laughed and then I cried.
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DubConqueror: To me, it feels completely natural to take into consideration the common good in everything I do and to work, not for the money, but for what it brings to other people.
That's how it should be.
Post edited November 15, 2016 by zeogold
A purpose is just cascade of electrochemical signal in my brain. Different thoughts is just a different arrangement of the electrochemical signal.

Just like a robot purpose get downloaded by different arrangement of the electric signal. Humans purpose get downloaded by reflection of light that the retina change to electrochemical signal to the brain, Sound cause vibration in ear drums that convert it into electrochemical signal to the brain.

So is this arrangement of electrochemical signal useful?
Yeah... Learning to become more and more human and... Me.
I'm still pretty young, but I think music is my calling.
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ToasterBox: Topic subject pretty much sums up what this thread is all about.

Did you found your life purpose? If so what events lead you to find your path? If not, what do you plan on doing to help you find it? If you at first though you were in the right path and found it, but later on discovered that it wasn't it. What lead you to come to this conclusion? And do you think you will ever really find it?

Please guys share some of your stories to make this thread an inspiration to some of us, who are still looking for a purpose and those of us who already found it, but still have a long way to go through to get there and not divert from the right path!
I think I could have been fulfilled by at least 4-5 different paths (or more realistically, a very large number of permutations that sum up my life choices in different aspects of my life). I don't believe in a life's purpose. I think of it as religious non-sense.

I'm happy with the choices I made, but I think I could have been just as happy with other choices. Make of it what you will.

Don't look too hard for "the right path". Keep an open mind and learn to zig when life throws you a zag.

PS: That being said, while there are many right choices, you still need to be mindful of wrong choices. For example, driving a motorcycle recklessly on the road tends to be a dumb choice. Go play a racing computer game instead.
Post edited November 15, 2016 by Magnitus
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kalirion: Like I said in my prerequisite, communism would work if human nature was completely different from actual human nature.
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DubConqueror: I don't understand human nature. To me, it feels completely natural to take into consideration the common good in everything I do and to work, not for the money, but for what it brings to other people.
Would you be a garbage collector for the good for other people? A toilet cleaner?

Would you work your ass of through 12 years of med school to become a doctor and get compensated the same (i.e. nothing) as the guy who hands out (free) hot dogs at a baseball game?
Post edited November 15, 2016 by kalirion
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kalirion: Would you work your ass of through 12 years of med school to become a doctor and get compensated the same (i.e. nothing) as the guy who hands out (free) hot dogs at a baseball game?
It all depends on how you're looking at it. Are you doing it to get rich? Or are you spending your days working without compensation in order to provide medical attention for those who can't afford it? Maybe you're broke, but at the end of the day, you can rest knowing that you made life easier for an underprivileged individual.
Your argument makes it sound like there's no value in charity or that people like Mother Teresa were wasting their time.