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kaboro: GOG removed the game because Chinese players complained
^ "QFL (quoted for lulz)"

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RafaelRamus: Not only is this true, but just look at all the bad press it is getting everywhere (outside China). I've seen videos bashing GOG for it that already have hundreds of thousands of views and good thumbs up ratings. It is just as bad (if not worse) as the Cyberpunk fiasco and it is all adding up.
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kaboro: Yes Mr. Bolsonaro
I think you'd be taken a lot more seriously if your amusing anti-judgement posts "fighting the good fight against stereotyping other countries" weren't followed up by lame one-liners of your own that do literally exactly the same thing you're accusing others of...
Boycott GOG.
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kaboro: People cant seem to be able to make the difference between political reasons and economical (aka business) reasons.
Considering they are intertwined, that makes it very difficult to tell the difference.

Disney would have their parks open in California but aren't allowed to

Businesses set up 'safe' areas in California but are shut down yet 50 feet away a movie company has the same set up and is 'safe'.

A restaurant called 'the french laundry' is allowed to be open but al other businesses must close.

Hypocrisy at it's finest from the elites. Often 'rules for thee, but not for me'


There's a thousand and one businesses I'm happy to put on my 'don't use unless last resort' list, and try to support local businesses first. As for GoG, Steam, Epic or other sites. I speak my displeasure on their choices bending the knee to pressure from a handful of twitter leftists who will scream at anything normal and hurrah everything abnormal.

As for GoG bending to china, i wish they wouldn't. The China players don't have to buy the game, and even then i doubt any of the residents care about the whinny the pooh meme or even know what it is; it's literally Dictator Xi who hates the meme, and no one else.
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RafaelRamus: Not only is this true, but just look at all the bad press it is getting everywhere (outside China). I've seen videos bashing GOG for it that already have hundreds of thousands of views and good thumbs up ratings. It is just as bad (if not worse) as the Cyberpunk fiasco and it is all adding up.
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kaboro: Yes Mr. Bolsonaro, hundreds of thousands of people thought the earth was flat, that didnt make them right.
Good thing you judge stuff by number of thumbs ups and views....hope for the sake of your country that not all it's citizens are as confused as you are.
Interesting how you completely deviated from the argument to try to insult me and my country.

But my point stands. The people that are trying do defend GOG because China is a "big market" are the ones that are first judging by numbers. So it becomes a simple math: does Chinese customers outperform everyone else that is mad because of this sad move by the folks at GOG? You don't need to be a genius to figure out that no. The European and North-American market are significantly bigger already and when you add everyone else it is not even a fair fight. I pointed out these videos with thousands upon thousands of views and thumbs up as a good hint that the damage is already larger than any possible benefit they could have gained.

It is quite obvious GOG outplayed their hand and are simply lost to how to deal with it now.
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RafaelRamus: So it becomes a simple math: does Chinese customers outperform everyone else that is mad because of this sad move by the folks at GOG? You don't need to be a genius to figure out that no.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Their reputation took (another) hit in the West, but I wouldn't bet on the number of those who will actually boycott GOG for it (for long) being higher than the number of Chinese customers. It looks like even among the userbase of these forums it's just a (vocal) minority position, and there are many who don't really care. And that's the small fanbase core, nothing compared to the international customers who just shop here occasionally during sales or for W3 and Cyberpunk and aren't attached to or even interested in GOG and what they do. And GOG is probably counting on that, sadly.
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RafaelRamus: So it becomes a simple math: does Chinese customers outperform everyone else that is mad because of this sad move by the folks at GOG? You don't need to be a genius to figure out that no.
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Leroux: I wouldn't be so sure about that. Their reputation took (another) hit in the West, but I wouldn't bet on the number of those who will actually boycott GOG for it (for long) being higher than the number of Chinese customers. It looks like even among the userbase of these forums it's just a (vocal) minority position, and there are many who don't really care. And that's the small fanbase core, nothing compared to the international customers who just shop here occasionally during sales or for W3 and Cyberpunk and aren't attached to or even interested in GOG and what they do. And GOG is probably counting on that, sadly.
GOG is counting on that indeed. But if history shows us something is that this sort of stuff works until it doesn't - and guess how many times does it need to not work for a business this size to go down? Yes, one.

Obviously, maybe this is not going to be the nail in the coffin - we will know what is when it happens.
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RafaelRamus: Not only is this true, but just look at all the bad press it is getting everywhere (outside China). I've seen videos bashing GOG for it that already have hundreds of thousands of views and good thumbs up ratings. It is just as bad (if not worse) as the Cyberpunk fiasco and it is all adding up.
But since it mainly affects CDP/CDPR's "pet side project" GOG, they sweep it under the rug and ignore it...like with other things.
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It needs to be taken into account, that both CDPR and GOG are Polish based ... from Poland.

Polish people know all about bullying and oppression and worse ... how could they not and how could they not have sympathy.

So I am pretty sure what they are doing would be based on sound reasoning and fair morals, despite what many of the emotional guessers think.

No doubt there are agreements and non-disclosure elements in them, so just telling everyone with complete transparency may not be an option.

With all complex things, you need to look at what you do know and weigh things up with Logic and Reason, not what amounts to almost pure speculation, and then give the benefit of the doubt, because there is no way you can be totally sure.

At the end of the day, even if GOG are not as great as they once were and not what many have let their imagination build up as their previous moral stance, what store can compare to them, what store is better or even as good, even with their current failings?
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What about Hatred?


The problem with the decision is pretty clear. You yourself are being dishonest in your approach.

CDP/GOG have long since spoke of preservation of games and 'for the gamers'.

Accepting to sell a game on the store, then dropping it hours before release only to lie and blame the 'gamers' is not only highlighting inconsistencies with the ethos and gimmick of GOG, but also slapping the users they gained using such marketing and language.

Add to that GOG's seemingly inability to communicate with its users (I honestly have no idea why they think blindly deleting posts instead of commenting and locking is a good idea, it's something you'd expect from a fan page and it only causes more issues) and you'll have more than enough to understand why there is a lot of criticism and frustration on the forums.

It's almost like if you don't take any care or time to talk to your users, you won't have an understanding of them. It's like Nike trying to sell pipes to shoe fans.
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Linko64: What about Hatred?

The problem with the decision is pretty clear. You yourself are being dishonest in your approach.

CDP/GOG have long since spoke of preservation of games and 'for the gamers'.

Accepting to sell a game on the store, then dropping it hours before release only to lie and blame the 'gamers' is not only highlighting inconsistencies with the ethos and gimmick of GOG, but also slapping the users they gained using such marketing and language.

Add to that GOG's seemingly inability to communicate with its users (I honestly have no idea why they think blindly deleting posts instead of commenting and locking is a good idea, it's something you'd expect from a fan page and it only causes more issues) and you'll have more than enough to understand why there is a lot of criticism and frustration on the forums.

It's almost like if you don't take any care or time to talk to your users, you won't have an understanding of them. It's like Nike trying to sell pipes to shoe fans.
I am surprised at GoG's lack of explanation and dismissal of it's customer base.
Reminds me of my parents when I was a child and they told me " Because I said so".