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They will end up banning the game, just like GOG. CDPR died.
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MartiusR: As suggested, for info purpose, I've created this thread.

One of admins mentioned on official Zoom channel , that they are willing to add Devotion to their offer (if dev will be interested), but rather not in this year, quoting (by "Zoom_Jordan"):

if Red Candle Games wants to host Devotion here, that's fine. We're just slammed at the moment. I can reach out to them early next year and see what they say. However, we really need to catch up on our current backlog first. We need to deliver what we already have in the queue.
What good news..,..thanks for letting everyone know this. :)

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Time4Tea: Imo, anyone making a serious accusation like that needs to provide some evidence to back it up. If they were really selling warez, I would expect them to have a much larger catalogue than they have.
Fwiw, I think some people(I mean in general) are just distrustful in general after all the betrayals by various companies over the years.

That said, I agree with Post 60 here: People should contact the various IP holders if they want to know the truth of the situation and to verify if zoom's games are on the up and up.
(until then, it'd be nice if all users didn't spread baseless rumors about zoom being scam/etc without proof to back such claims up)
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The allegations that Zoom may be selling warez got me curious to get to the bottom of this matter.

That search led me to this link:

https://www.gog.com/upload/forum/2020/05/bc6cc244ee90d9677304f51738db36aaaffc13c6.png

If the sort of issue that the Zoom employee there is talking about is what led to the warez allegations arising, then it seems to me that those allegations are unfounded.

The Zoom guy is correct with what he said there: it's the publisher's fault if they are telling Zoom that they have the legal right to sell a game even if they actually don't.

Should that situation occur, then that's not Zoom's fault.

Some of the posts in this thread make it sound like Zoom just randomly puts up any game that they feel like onto their store, without having first had any contact with the IP holders of that game.

But that scenario would be an untrue twisting of reality, in the event that it was fabricated as an offshoot of the quotation cited in the link above.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: The allegations that Zoom may be selling warez got me curious to get to the bottom of this matter.

That search led me to this link:

https://www.gog.com/upload/forum/2020/05/bc6cc244ee90d9677304f51738db36aaaffc13c6.png
Just wanted to say: good on you for trying to do something to figure out if zoom is legal or not.

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Ancient-Red-Dragon: If the sort of issue that the Zoom employee there is talking about is what led to the warez allegations arising, then it seems to me that those allegations are unfounded.

The Zoom guy is correct with what he said there: it's the publishers fault if they are telling Zoom that they have the legal right to sell a game even if they actually don't.

Should that situation occur, then that's not Zoom's fault.
I have a nagging feeling some here and elsewhere will continue to say things like "that zoom site seems awful shady....don't think I can trust them" regardless.

Still, your attempts to puzzle out the legal situation re: zoom a bit for everyone else here is appreciated.
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samuraigaiden: They are selling Race Driver: GRID, a game that was removed from sale from Steam and GOG (and everywhere else) because of expiring licenses.
Ok. But I would think it would depend very much on the details of the agreement Zoom Platform signed with that game's publisher. None of us know that for sure, so you seem to be making an assumption their agreement was the same as Steam/GOG's.

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De Ravenna: Doing some research, there are many red flags about this company and I suspect it may be part of a larger scam. I may post a thread if I discover enough evidence.
Please do provide evidence, if you have it. Otherwise, it's really nothing but unfounded rumors.

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GamezRanker: That said, I agree with Post 60 here: People should contact the various IP holders if they want to know the truth of the situation and to verify if zoom's games are on the up and up.
(until then, it'd be nice if all users didn't spread baseless rumors about zoom being scam/etc without proof to back such claims up)
I agree. They should be considered innocent until proven guilty. All I am seeing in this thread so far are rumors without any evidence.

Again, if they were trying to sell games illegally, I would expect them to have a much bigger catalogue.
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Time4Tea: I agree. They should be considered innocent until proven guilty. All I am seeing in this thread so far are rumors without any evidence.
As I said, some seem to be distrustful in general and also unwilling to put in a bit of work to look into such matters to see if their worries have basis or not.

(Of course, this isn't unique to the gog userbase.....it is more of an unfortunate trend in the world in general atm)

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Time4Tea: Again, if they were trying to sell games illegally, I would expect them to have a much bigger catalogue.
Also i'd expect if zoom were doing shady things that they'd be beset by lawsuits and C&D letters by now.
Post edited December 20, 2020 by GamezRanker
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: The allegations that Zoom may be selling warez got me curious to get to the bottom of this matter.

That search led me to this link:

https://www.gog.com/upload/forum/2020/05/bc6cc244ee90d9677304f51738db36aaaffc13c6.png

If the sort of issue that the Zoom employee there is talking about is what led to the warez allegations arising, then it seems to me that those allegations are unfounded.

The Zoom guy is correct with what he said there: it's the publisher's fault if they are telling Zoom that they have the legal right to sell a game even if they actually don't.

Should that situation occur, then that's not Zoom's fault.

Some of the posts in this thread make it sound like Zoom just randomly puts up any game that they feel like onto their store, without having first had any contact with the IP holders of that game.

But that scenario would be an untrue twisting of reality, in the event that it was fabricated as an offshoot of the quotation cited in the link above.
Actually, Zoom would be wrong on that from my understanding from other topics ("Selling stolen property" for example). However, Zoom might be in the clear, but they might have to remove copies from peoples' libraries. Most courts, even if they're in the wrong, would end up only allowing an injunction (to remove game from downloads/accounts) unless the copyright holders could prove they knew the licenses expired, which is a tough case to prove.
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Time4Tea: Please do provide evidence, if you have it. Otherwise, it's really nothing but unfounded rumors.
The CEO Jordan Freeman has/had 7 companies registered at the address of a $625,000 house in Scottsdale (Jordan Freeman Group, Jordan Freeman Productions, Jordan Freeman Enterprises, Zoom Platform Media, Zoom LLC, Stolar and Freeman opportunity fund). The owner of the real estate according to the Maricopa County Accessors Office is Sebastian Richard, an owner of an art gallery. Jordan's address as statutory agent is at a luxury condo in Scottsdale, but on an instagram post from a year ago he reveals that he lives in LA.

That's the only evidence I have that something is fishy, but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence as well. Frankly I don't care to do any more digging beyond that.
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Time4Tea: Please do provide evidence, if you have it. Otherwise, it's really nothing but unfounded rumors.
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De Ravenna: The CEO Jordan Freeman has/had 7 companies registered at the address of a $625,000 house in Scottsdale (Jordan Freeman Group, Jordan Freeman Productions, Jordan Freeman Enterprises, Zoom Platform Media, Zoom LLC, Stolar and Freeman opportunity fund). The owner of the real estate according to the Maricopa County Accessors Office is Sebastian Richard, an owner of an art gallery. Jordan's address as statutory agent is at a luxury condo in Scottsdale, but on an instagram post from a year ago he reveals that he lives in LA.

That's the only evidence I have that something is fishy, but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence as well. Frankly I don't care to do any more digging beyond that.
Is this your first time digging up on a CEO? That's the best you have?
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kohlrak: Is this your first time digging up on a CEO?
Yes. I am not a professional investigator, and was only looking into it because I don't want any GOG users being scammed.

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kohlrak: That's the best you have?
I don't want to make accusations that I can't 100% verify. At the very least, the address fuckery proves that they are not running a serious organized business.
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kohlrak: Is this your first time digging up on a CEO?
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De Ravenna: Yes. I am not a professional investigator, and was only looking into it because I don't want any GOG users being scammed.

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kohlrak: That's the best you have?
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De Ravenna: I don't want to make accusations that I can't 100% verify. At the very least, the address fuckery proves that they are not running a serious organized business.
This is nothing unusual, and is even common among politicians. This is actually indication that they run a serious business, and are looking to get acquired by a larger corporation.

EDIT:

AOC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOpu3x8aXHg

Bernie Sanders: https://heavy.com/news/2019/06/bernie-sanders-house-home-photos/

I'm sure we could find republicans, too, if that's your flavor. Not unusual for businesses at all, especially for tax purposes.
Post edited December 20, 2020 by kohlrak
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It's common to list your business address as some random dude's house?
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De Ravenna: It's common to list your business address as some random dude's house?
Might not be some random dude. Does he also own the house? And if not, is it a friend's house, or the house of a board member, or a former address? There's a lot of different reasons it can happen. Usually, though, inquiries and government forms go to that address, so he likely knows the person living at that address, assuming it's even a dwelling and not an office building.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: The allegations that Zoom may be selling warez got me curious to get to the bottom of this matter.

That search led me to this link:

https://www.gog.com/upload/forum/2020/05/bc6cc244ee90d9677304f51738db36aaaffc13c6.png

If the sort of issue that the Zoom employee there is talking about is what led to the warez allegations arising, then it seems to me that those allegations are unfounded.

The Zoom guy is correct with what he said there: it's the publisher's fault if they are telling Zoom that they have the legal right to sell a game even if they actually don't.

Should that situation occur, then that's not Zoom's fault.

Some of the posts in this thread make it sound like Zoom just randomly puts up any game that they feel like onto their store, without having first had any contact with the IP holders of that game.

But that scenario would be an untrue twisting of reality, in the event that it was fabricated as an offshoot of the quotation cited in the link above.
Hmm, hope you got more info than that. As asking the suspect's opinion is more or less useless.
So still I would only trust zoom if the games rights holders say, they gave the rights to them to sell those games on their behalf.
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kohlrak: Actually, Zoom would be wrong on that from my understanding from other topics ("Selling stolen property" for example). However, Zoom might be in the clear, but they might have to remove copies from peoples' libraries. Most courts, even if they're in the wrong, would end up only allowing an injunction (to remove game from downloads/accounts) unless the copyright holders could prove they knew the licenses expired, which is a tough case to prove.
Yeah, I think the seller has the responsibility to make sure what they sell is legal.
Post edited December 20, 2020 by Orkhepaj
LOL! all this because of one user pessimistic about this company. They are selling on steam also(Megarace).