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shattenyagger: Sale ended; bought nothing. Hopefully wasn't the only one.
Just wanted to pop in quickly, remind GOG that Xi Jinping can go suck a rock. And bring Devotion to the store.
You're not the only one.
I can't speak for anyone else, of course. But just like you, I'm doing my part.
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shattenyagger: Sale ended; bought nothing. Hopefully wasn't the only one.
Just wanted to pop in quickly, remind GOG that Xi Jinping can go suck a rock. And bring Devotion to the store.
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joppo: You're not the only one.
I can't speak for anyone else, of course. But just like you, I'm doing my part.
Perhaps you (or someone) should start a thread, where people could share their "not buying on GOG" posts on a regular (and more visible) manner, rather than having these lost in other threads. A kind of "not buying on GOG" support group.

I'm serious.
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joppo: You're not the only one.
I can't speak for anyone else, of course. But just like you, I'm doing my part.
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mrkgnao: Perhaps you (or someone) should start a thread, where people could share their "not buying on GOG" posts on a regular (and more visible) manner, rather than having these lost in other threads. A kind of "not buying on GOG" support group.

I'm serious.
It's not a bad idea, actually. But I was under the impression there was already one for that. I'd be surprised if there wasn't one after all the recent embarrassing situations GOG and CDPR got themselves in.

Tho even if there is one then I neglected to post on it, and probably many others did too after the hectic last couple weeks. So you still got a point.
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mrkgnao: Perhaps you (or someone) should start a thread, where people could share their "not buying on GOG" posts on a regular (and more visible) manner, rather than having these lost in other threads. A kind of "not buying on GOG" support group.

I'm serious.
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joppo: It's not a bad idea, actually. But I was under the impression there was already one for that. I'd be surprised if there wasn't one after all the recent embarrassing situations GOG and CDPR got themselves in.

Tho even if there is one then I neglected to post on it, and probably many others did too after the hectic last couple weeks. So you still got a point.
It seems someone had the same idea earlier today:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/boycotting_gog_2021
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mrkgnao: It seems someone had the same idea earlier today:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/boycotting_gog_2021
I was already composing my own thread's OP when I decided to check and Time4Tea's thread was among the first 5. :)

I don't mind that he did it first. His explanation is good and well-founded, tho my priorities for what actions from Gog would restore enough trust to make me buy again are slightly different.
Post edited January 05, 2021 by joppo
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joppo: You're not the only one.
I can't speak for anyone else, of course. But just like you, I'm doing my part.
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mrkgnao: Perhaps you (or someone) should start a thread, where people could share their "not buying on GOG" posts on a regular (and more visible) manner, rather than having these lost in other threads. A kind of "not buying on GOG" support group.

I'm serious.
I can't keep up with the discussions this way, really. It's getting old.
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Time4Tea: What do you mean by that? If GOG were to release the game in the rest of the world and just block it in China, how would that negatively impact the Chinese?
It would negatively impact GOG, you absolute galaxy brain. GOG can't take on Visa and Mastercard. Real Chinese users don't give a damn.

You 'muricans don't understand what it's like to live in a dictatorship (while your own freedoms are slipping away and people lose the right to peacefully do their jobs. Twitter pedophiles run the hr in every large company now. Media, IT, consumer goods, Amazon.)

When you run a global business, you live in a dictatorship. You can't even hope to be protected under the law. Not kissing Winnie's tail would cost GOG not just the Chinese market but their whole processing infrastructure.

Only 15 states recognize Taiwan, of which only 4 are real states (all four literally diametrically opposite China on the globe), and these relationships are from 6 decades ago or more. Everyone else has cucked out. The UN cucked out and booted their founding member. The United States cucked out.

but y gog no fite xi
imma boycott if u no fite

Meanwhile, Jack Ma hasn't been seen in public for two months now.

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TL;DR I respect GOG for trying. They knew it would be bad and they tried anyway.
Now please process my refund, I have a game to buy.
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Starmaker: When you run a global business, you live in a dictatorship. You can't even hope to be protected under the law. Not kissing Winnie's tail would cost GOG not just the Chinese market but their whole processing infrastructure.
Excuse me, GOG is STILL a Polish company, operating under umbrella of primarily Polish laws and has majority of it's IT infrastructure physically located in Poland.
It's not like GOG is PRIMARILY utilizing chinese content delivery frameworks.
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Starmaker: When you run a global business, you live in a dictatorship. You can't even hope to be protected under the law. Not kissing Winnie's tail would cost GOG not just the Chinese market but their whole processing infrastructure.
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B1tF1ghter: Excuse me, GOG is STILL a Polish company, operating under umbrella of primarily Polish laws and has majority of it's IT infrastructure physically located in Poland.
It's not like GOG is PRIMARILY utilizing chinese content delivery frameworks.
But this has no bearing on the components external to gog itself, which are the ones cited. That said, i believe it be a risk worth taking, because too many hands would be forced if they actually tried to punish gog in that way.
Post edited January 06, 2021 by kohlrak
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B1tF1ghter: Excuse me, GOG is STILL a Polish company, operating under umbrella of primarily Polish laws and has majority of it's IT infrastructure physically located in Poland.
It's not like GOG is PRIMARILY utilizing chinese content delivery frameworks.
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kohlrak: But this has no bearing on the components external to gog itself, which are the ones cited. That said, i believe it be a risk worth taking, because too many hands would be forced if they actually tried to punish gog in that way.
I don't think I follow. What is it then that was meant by it?
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kohlrak: But this has no bearing on the components external to gog itself, which are the ones cited. That said, i believe it be a risk worth taking, because too many hands would be forced if they actually tried to punish gog in that way.
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B1tF1ghter: I don't think I follow. What is it then that was meant by it?
What you understood. The thing is, you're wrong: even though it's a polish company, it's still subject to the likes of the global pressures of things like ViSA, Mastercard, Paypal, Google, etc. Sure, it's a polish company, but good luck if the usual crew decides to make an example of you, like they did Pornhub, Sargon of Akkad, and a bunch of others. Actually, there was another polish site i used extensively, where Paypal actually went after the own, apparently, simply for being polish (did not appear to be political, though, just they thought donations to poland were suspicious: More on the topic).
Post edited January 07, 2021 by kohlrak
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I really wish GOG would address the issue honestly. There was so much dishonesty from CDPR lately and this additional lie, blaming gamers for censorship is just one lie too much for me. Everyone knows that it wasn't gamers that wanted it removed. Every 'gamer' on FB, Twitter, forums asks them to release it, yet they are like "nope, gamers hate this game".
Wasn't Devotion also delisted from PSN and Steam?
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JurpoJarppinen: Wasn't Devotion also delisted from PSN and Steam?
afaik, at least on Steam, it was the publisher that removed the game, not Steam itself
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JurpoJarppinen: Wasn't Devotion also delisted from PSN and Steam?
It was on sale on Steam for 6 days from 19.02.2019 to 25.02.2019. (note: the game files were updated after that few times)
It initially went on sale WITH that "offending content" and Steam did NOT block the release at all.
Later it was brought down by developers themselves * which you can read reasons for below (official statement by the developers):
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1006510/discussions/0/1796278072845376475/

* So essentially:
Steam allowed the sale of game and pretty much didn't have a problem with that. Some small amount of users didn't like the joke. Developers removed the offending content. Developers also removed ability to buy the game at some point due to their own reasons and all by themselves.
Meanwhile GOG: announced that the game will be released. SAME DAY cowardly backed off from it and canceled it ** due to "messages from many 'gamers'" and from that point is subsequently refusing to provide a proof or any official statement. They are totally radio silent waiting for "gossip to end".

** You cannot possibly LEGALLY make a game distribution announcement BEFORE signing papers with developer / publisher first.
So GOG broke already signed contract for game distribution made with developers / publisher and is providing baseless statement instead of a proof.
I think it's notable to point out that since GOG withheld already signed contract they are ought to provide a valid REAL reason that holds legally to whoever they signed contract with. Their justification MUST HOLD on legal grounds, otherwise it's just anti-developer business practise.
GOG should be held LEGALLY responsible for this by developers / publisher of Devotion.

What's also notable and quite ridiculously important is that the "offending content" was already REMOVED *before* GOG even made an announcement about game's planned release.
Based on that alone the GOG's argument of "many 'gamers' contacted us to block the game release because it contains content Z offending those users" is a complete provable lie and a bunch of BS and therefore doesn't hold legally - so GOG not only provided false justification to us, users, community - but also to who they signed a contract with - that would be Devotions developers / that game's publisher - and for that GOG should be held legally responsible.

On top of it all - GOG has all technical possibilities already in place to allow blockage of game Q in country X any time for any reason.
They TOTALLY COULD have blocked it just in China. But they didn't. Instead they blocked INTERNATIONAL release of the game just because some minority from country X allegedly "contacted them" during one day *** about something that offends JUST THEM.

Meanwhile Steam had such technical possibilities for a *very* long time and when something is not fancied by China it usually gets blocked JUST THERE (to be honest I don't know of ANY case of a product being blocked INTERNATIONALLY on Steam because of an outcry from just one country).

*** It's pretty ludicrously ironic that GOG claims to be understaffed and currently under "huge load of support tickets", so huge that it's implied people have to wait at least DAYS for a response from support. Yet in this case it is implied GOG stepped up their game and SOMEHOW processed all those "messages from many 'gamers'" in what is implied to be JUST FEW HOURS.
Meanwhile GOG *completely ignores* community outcry on THEIR OWN FORUM.
I think that speaks loads about GOG's attitude to their non-Chinese customers.

Once again, a little reminder, Steam not only was fine with original "uncut" version of game getting released, Steam was also NOT THE ONE to remove it from distribution there (it was developers themselves for reasons stated in that official statement I linked).

As for PSN - I don't know so I will not comment on that - I would have to research that first.