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Starmaker: ...
1. The claim that this game has been rejected by GOG because of Visa/Mastercard is worthless, unless there is evidence to back it up.

2. We know that Devotion was censored and subsequently removed from Steam by the publisher - a Chinese company that has no choice but to comply with any demands from the Chinese officials. Despite removing the game from Steam and severing ties with the devs of Devotion, the publisher still had their business license revoked by China.

3. Taking #2 into account, it's fair to assume that removal from GOG was also caused by a direct Chinese influence. What makes matters worse is that unlike a Chinese publisher, GOG didn't have to comply, but they did it anyway.

4. Regardless, GOG deserves all the blame for lying in the face of their customers and pretending that "gamers demanded it", effectively saying that GOG users support Chinese censorship.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by flyme_tothemoon
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flyme_tothemoon: 2. We know that Devotion was censored and subsequently removed from Steam by the publisher - a Chinese company that has no choice but to comply with any demands from the Chinese officials. Despite removing the game from Steam and severing ties with the devs of Devotion, the publisher still had their business license revoked by China.
No no, and that's the biggest sin to the whole thing. Taiwan is the real china. The place we know as "china" are rebels who have been in power for way, way too long and have gotten way, way too much recognition and power. The devs are from Taiwan. As far as i'm concerned, China has no claim in this matter at all, shy of "we're offended." The game was neither made in China, nor would GOG have been releasing it to china. To be clear, china has no grounds for any ounce of authority on this matter.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by kohlrak
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flyme_tothemoon: 2. We know that Devotion was censored and subsequently removed from Steam by the publisher - a Chinese company that has no choice but to comply with any demands from the Chinese officials. Despite removing the game from Steam and severing ties with the devs of Devotion, the publisher still had their business license revoked by China.
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kohlrak: No no, and that's the biggest sin to the whole thing. Taiwan is the real china. The place we know as "china" are rebels who have been in power for way, way too long and have gotten way, way too much recognition and power. The devs are from Taiwan. As far as i'm concerned, China has no claim in this matter at all, shy of "we're offended." The game was neither made in China, nor would GOG have been releasing it to china. To be clear, china has no grounds for any ounce of authority on this matter.
China is trying to tell the world that Taiwan is actually there territory. They are trying to say Taiwan is actually Chinese land and that they are traitors/defectors and are a illegitimate country.
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kohlrak: No no, and that's the biggest sin to the whole thing. Taiwan is the real china. The place we know as "china" are rebels who have been in power for way, way too long and have gotten way, way too much recognition and power. The devs are from Taiwan. As far as i'm concerned, China has no claim in this matter at all, shy of "we're offended." The game was neither made in China, nor would GOG have been releasing it to china. To be clear, china has no grounds for any ounce of authority on this matter.
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RockyFour1: China is trying to tell the world that Taiwan is actually there territory. They are trying to say Taiwan is actually Chinese land and that they are traitors/defectors and are a illegitimate country.
Taiwan is unironically Chinese territory since they won the Civil War in '49. You'd have to be stupid to argue that NATO should intervene, and throw away lives for an irrelevant Island. If want to stop China from taking over Taiwan, you go and enlist and die in that war. I'll continue to enjoy the benefits of having cheap Chinese products
Post edited December 19, 2020 by user deleted
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RockyFour1: China is trying to tell the world that Taiwan is actually there territory. They are trying to say Taiwan is actually Chinese land and that they are traitors/defectors and are a illegitimate country.
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Suminia: Taiwan is unironically Chinese territory since they won the Civil War in '49. You'd have to be stupid to argue that NATO should intervene, and throw away lives for an irrelevant Island. If want to stop China from taking over Taiwan, you go and enlist and die in that war. I'll continue to enjoy the benefits of having cheap Chinese products
You're an idiot
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Suminia: Taiwan is unironically Chinese territory since they won the Civil War in '49. You'd have to be stupid to argue that NATO should intervene, and throw away lives for an irrelevant Island. If want to stop China from taking over Taiwan, you go and enlist and die in that war. I'll continue to enjoy the benefits of having cheap Chinese products
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RockyFour1: You're an idiot
Pretty much every country does "human rights violations" you autistic loser. You're not changing much with this self righteous indignation you have against China, and you certainly are not going stop them from doing business. Money talks, your bullshit walks.
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RockyFour1: You're an idiot
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Suminia: Pretty much every country does "human rights violations" you autistic loser. You're not changing much with this self righteous indignation you have against China, and you certainly are not going stop them from doing business. Money talks, your bullshit walks.
Stop self projecting, Also it's not self righteous for not supporting a government that committed genocide on it's own people.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by RockyFour1
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GreywolfLord: --snip--
I made another reply, but i decided making a second reply to this same text is warranted: I just remembered that Australia has been banning all adult products from certain japanese stores, even sex toys, and even non-adult products, citing child porn. I'm thinking after the cuties fiasco that maybe the powers that be are trying to go with the direction they feel the wind is blowing, not understanding the fundamental nuance between the scenarios. Yes, we care about child porn (actually, most people don't, but that's a whole other topic for another discussion: we will virtue signal over it, though), but we also have acceptable mentalities for alot of things.
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Suminia: Pretty much every country does "human rights violations" you autistic loser. You're not changing much with this self righteous indignation you have against China, and you certainly are not going stop them from doing business. Money talks, your bullshit walks.
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RockyFour1: Stop self projecting, Also it's not self righteous for not supporting a government that committed genocide on it's own people.
Kid, listen, you lost. Time to move on. GOG doesn't have to change for you, No one does.
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RockyFour1: You're an idiot
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Suminia: Pretty much every country does "human rights violations" you autistic loser. You're not changing much with this self righteous indignation you have against China, and you certainly are not going stop them from doing business. Money talks, your bullshit walks.
Taxation and teargas are a far cry from shooting unarmed citizens. Even as bad as Waco was, there's still some plausible deniability there that the US government can cling to. But China? Common. It's not about a generalized "human atrocities," but specific ones that we don't accept. Even the US government at least allows us to discuss Waco, Japanese concentration camps, etc.
Now if only you knew what you were blabberring about.
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Starmaker: Thank you and have a good day.
You are most welcome for the reality check.
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Suminia: Pretty much every country does "human rights violations" you autistic loser. You're not changing much with this self righteous indignation you have against China, and you certainly are not going stop them from doing business. Money talks, your bullshit walks.
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RockyFour1: Stop self projecting, Also it's not self righteous for not supporting a government that committed genocide on it's own people.
Go open any dictionary and learn what "genocide" is. Genocide is when someone goes for extermination of a *large* group of people based on their ethnicity or nationality for whatever reason. You guys have a good example - eradication of natives to free some space for colonists. Nothing new even back then as if it was very typical for settler colonialism. Then around WW2 times there are multiple cases, with what nazi Germany did being the most infamous - germans were building death camps - basically slaughterhouses for mass killing people they wanted to completely eradicate - jews and some others. Industral level of genocide. And most recent example - Rwandan genocide - ~900k people killed just for being Tutsi. Now how 10-200 dead students is a *genocide* ? If that's the case Ford Hunger March is also a "genocide"? It's not. They just killed some really peaceful protesters who wanted terrible thing - some money to not to starve.

Now if we'll get back to HK - "peaceful" protesters looted and destroyed my friend's store, beaten up him and his wife, they had to spend more than two months in hospital.
When you start doing that and you give police the right to use force. You throw a stone at cop and he can even shoot you. Surprisingly it's the same in every country.

Also France and yellow jackets. Body count is 200+ from both sides. No one goes "cluck-cluck-cluck, human rights, human rights". (both sides can be kinda ugh... protesters destroy other people's properties, attacking police, police attacks them, sometimes they can beat random people who don't do anything... a typical mess as it is).
Same was in HK.

Also you can't get killed for opinion unless we're talking about some remaining absolute monarchies. You can go and stand in front of govt. building and yell anti-govt stuff in China - worst thing you'll get is a fine and some public works (those public toilets will clean and shiny).
If you'll organize a group and start mass protests you can get in prison for 1-5 years. You will get much more or even get killed if you'll start some violent shit. How that's different from most other countries?

Also breaking news - #freeHKers just got cockblocked from special refugee status in the US because "spy threat from Beijing" by none other than the very same dude who said "American people stand with Hong Kong". Charming.
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Thunderbringer: And most recent example - Rohingya genocide
Fixed that for you.
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Suminia: Pretty much every country does "human rights violations" you autistic loser. You're not changing much with this self righteous indignation you have against China
Wow, this is some weapons-grade retarded bullshit right here. I love it.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by klogd
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kohlrak: Taxation and teargas are a far cry from shooting unarmed citizens. Even as bad as Waco was, there's still some plausible deniability there that the US government can cling to. But China? Common. It's not about a generalized "human atrocities," but specific ones that we don't accept. Even the US government at least allows us to discuss Waco, Japanese concentration camps, etc.
It's not as far a cry as you think, at least if you're willing to honestly and intellectually engage with these topics. As, the fact that some oppression is arguably less bad than others, doesn't cancel out it being oppression. Consider too there were victims of slavery who viewed their masters as kind and I'm sure they also engaged in rationalizations like how "at least here it's not like how it is over there" on another plantation.

If you (not you personally, anyone) are going to boycott GOG because of delisting this game, in the name of standing against oppression, cool, but there is a lot more to consider in your daily life. That's what is... annoying? For lack of a better word. Most if not all of you here are posturing as though you universally stand against oppression when in reality you fashionably stand against some select examples of oppression.

The cherry on the cake is that us loyal customers are in danger of losing the only viable DRM-free store around, just because people want to politically posture for perceived social points. Very ironically, they will also criticize countries that have a system of literal social points. You can't make this stuff up. It should be a short story or something.