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Posted April 28, 2016
UPDATE: Heads up! There are 24h left, so now is the time to take advantage of the amazing deals and upgrade your collections. Eyes on the price, Boo, eyes on the price!



Years ago, the Baldur's Gate series changed the way we look at gaming and the scope of what was considered possible. Even now, the legacy continues through the Enhanced Editions – thanks to the hard work and years of updates to keep the inimitable Infinity Engine living on.



It's the work on the Enhanced Editions that made <span class="bold">Siege of Dragonspear</span> possible – the just-released, massive expansion to the timeless classic, available only for Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition.

"The team at Beamdog was able to breathe a new life into the Infinity Engine classics." says Greg Tito, Communications Director for Dungeons & Dragons "We're proud to recognize their excellent work in offering the best possible experience and support for these legendary titles. We want these to become the definitive editions – featuring both the enhanced and classic versions of the games."

On April 29, Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition, Baldur's Gate II: Enhanced Edition, and Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition will be expanded to include the classic versions – each becoming the Definitive Edition Bundle and not available for purchase separately. If you already own the classics on GOG.com, the games currently on your shelf won't be affected.

"We're excited to take our commitment and support to Baldur's Gate and GOG fans to the next level and humbled to work with such great partners. The Definitive Edition Bundle will give every Baldur's Gate fan what they're looking for" – concludes Cameron Tofer, Beamdog COO.



In the near future, we're also looking forward to full GOG Galaxy support for achievements in Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition, Baldur's Gate II: Enhanced Edition, and Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition – as well as in the Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear expansion.

Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition will be 75% off until April 4 11:59 PM PDT / April 5 2:59 AM EDT/ 7:59 BST and 60% off until April 29 10:59 AM PDT / 1:59 PM EDT / 18:59 BST. The 60% discount for Baldur's Gate II: Enhanced Edition, and Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition until April 29 10:59 AM PDT / 1:59 PM EDT / 18:59 BST. The 85% discount for owners of the original saga will last until April 29 10:59 AM PDT / 1:59 PM EDT / 18:59 BST.
Post edited April 02, 2016 by maladr0Id
Posted April 29, 2016
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Gilozard: Censorship looks like this: The government calls a publication and makes them change their articles.

Suppressing freedom of speech looks like this: a whole group of people band together to attack, harass and slander people over their artistic vision.

This is not censorship or suppressing anything: I wish these people would go away because I find their behavior offensive.

Differences between 1 and everything else: The government

Differences between 3 and 2: Politeness, maturity, and not dictating what other people do.
Nah, censorship can be just as scary on a less-than-governmental level. Small activist groups can gain ridiculous amounts of chilling power if they control key information channels. That's the kind of censorship people are referring to whenever this topic comes up on the internet.

This is a silly topic for a Baldur's Gate thread though, we really shouldn't be fueling this :|
Posted April 29, 2016
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Gilozard: You clearly have no idea what a fascist is. You might want to educate yourself before tossing political terms around - it'll do you a world of good.
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Hammer49: This old saw again. You would have been better to provide an example of fascism instead of just appealing to sophistication. If you don't know about that fallacy, you might want to educate yourself.

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Gilozard: SJW has been used so widely at this point that it means 'anyone whose social/political opinions I disagree with, and seems more liberal than I am'. It's not a useful term. Banning it would at least help keep the flame wars down a little bit, IMO.
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Hammer49: Banning disagreeable words would appear to be a most popular cause for SJW types. #BanBossy
It's not my job to educate you, dude. If you can't be bothered to understand terms you use, why should I waste my time explaining them to you?

Banning meaningless insults has a long and proud tradition that encompasses all political platforms. It's known by various names such as 'civility', 'decency', 'stop swearing', 'did you kiss your momma with that mouth', etc. I'm fine with SJW joining that list because every time someone uses it flame wars happen and I'm sick of it.
Posted April 29, 2016
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nepundo: Except they haven't put the originals on sale, have they? Or have I terribly missed it?
Ooops. You are correct, they haven't been on sale since late last year.
Posted April 29, 2016
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GOG.com: On April 29, Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition, Baldur's Gate II: Enhanced Edition, and Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition will be expanded to include the classic versions – each becoming the Definitive Edition Bundle and not available for purchase separately. If you already own the classics on GOG.com, the games currently on your shelf won't be affected.
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Pangaea666: This is EXTREMELY disgusting! I hope somebody at GOG central god sucked off, because this is an unfathomable decision otherwise.

"Years ago, in an ancient land long forgotten, GOG didn't suck arse."

How times change :(
For the umpteenth time:
1) GOG does not control the rights and cannot make this decision. Hasbro or other IP owners could. Go yell at them.
2) It's perfectly reasonable to bundle products. Neither is becoming in accessible, the only change is that now people won't have to make 2 purchases to get the original and newest version.
Posted April 29, 2016
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nepundo: 1) Sorry, I want to play the classics.
Wait. You want to play the classics, but you don't want to pay full price. That's cool. You haven't seen them on sale at any point in the last 18 years though?
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Gilozard: Censorship looks like this: The government calls a publication and makes them change their articles.

Suppressing freedom of speech looks like this: a whole group of people band together to attack, harass and slander people over their artistic vision.

This is not censorship or suppressing anything: I wish these people would go away because I find their behavior offensive.

Differences between 1 and everything else: The government

Differences between 3 and 2: Politeness, maturity, and not dictating what other people do.
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a4plz: Nah, censorship can be just as scary on a less-than-governmental level. Small activist groups can gain ridiculous amounts of chilling power if they control key information channels. That's the kind of censorship people are referring to whenever this topic comes up on the internet.

This is a silly topic for a Baldur's Gate thread though, we really shouldn't be fueling this :|
It's an important topic in modern gaming and highly relevant to any game subjected to an organized attack campaign, IMO.
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Pangaea666: This is EXTREMELY disgusting! I hope somebody at GOG central god sucked off, because this is an unfathomable decision otherwise.

"Years ago, in an ancient land long forgotten, GOG didn't suck arse."

How times change :(
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Gilozard: For the umpteenth time:
1) GOG does not control the rights and cannot make this decision. Hasbro or other IP owners could. Go yell at them.
2) It's perfectly reasonable to bundle products. Neither is becoming in accessible, the only change is that now people won't have to make 2 purchases to get the original and newest version.
I agree that GoG is really not at fault, but this bundling isn't really reasonable, it would be if the Old games wouldn't be on sale at all, or as an optional Bundled offer.
But as the only offer is smells of trying to boost the enhanced Edition, which they kinda even admit in the announcement.
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a4plz: Nah, censorship can be just as scary on a less-than-governmental level. Small activist groups can gain ridiculous amounts of chilling power if they control key information channels. That's the kind of censorship people are referring to whenever this topic comes up on the internet.

This is a silly topic for a Baldur's Gate thread though, we really shouldn't be fueling this :|
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Gilozard: It's an important topic in modern gaming and highly relevant to any game subjected to an organized attack campaign, IMO.
Like Metal Gear Solid 5 ?
I can still hear the SJW cries about Quiet ring in my ear.

Or Dragoncrown ?
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Woofy: Really the originals are so much better, the EE versions aren't playable to me.
How, exactly, are the originals so much better? 100% of the playable content of the original game is in the EE game. The only thing missing (and from BG1 only) are the original cutscenes. Otherwise, every conversation, every NPC, every quest, etc. from the original game is present in the EE version. That was part of the deal that Beamdog made with Hasbro - they couldn't modify or remove content, only add.

I've often said, the best thing Beamdog could have done would have been to put a toggle in that allowed people to play without the new content. Probably would have saved them a bunch of moronic backlash.
Posted April 29, 2016
I like how most of you are quick to blame GOG when a game is "censored" but in this instance they are completely innocent. Are some of you being paid by Beamdog? Cause it sure looks like it.
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Gilozard: It's an important topic in modern gaming and highly relevant to any game subjected to an organized attack campaign, IMO.
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Reaper9988: Like Metal Gear Solid 5 ?
I can still hear the SJW cries about Quiet ring in my ear.

Or Dragoncrown ?
Did those games get major press about people sending death and rape threats to the devs? No? Well, then.

People disliking part of the game != a campaign of harassment. Even when you like the game they don't like. Even when they publish reviews stating what they don't like and why. Even when you may feel insulted at some of the things they say! That is a normal part of entertainment reviewing and art critique.

People sending death and rape threats to devs = harassment. People stalking devs = harassment.

TL;DR Targeting devs is not the same thing as writing bad reviews.

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javier0889: I like how most of you are quick to blame GOG when a game is "censored" but in this instance they are completely innocent. Are some of you being paid by Beamdog? Cause it sure looks like it.
IDK, it's hard to attribute to malice what is clearly unthinking ignorance.

Also, it probably wasn't Beamdog's decision either. Hasbro is the rightsholder.
Post edited April 29, 2016 by Gilozard
Posted April 29, 2016
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Hammer49: This old saw again. You would have been better to provide an example of fascism instead of just appealing to sophistication. If you don't know about that fallacy, you might want to educate yourself.

Banning disagreeable words would appear to be a most popular cause for SJW types. #BanBossy
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Gilozard: It's not my job to educate you, dude. If you can't be bothered to understand terms you use, why should I waste my time explaining them to you?

Banning meaningless insults has a long and proud tradition that encompasses all political platforms. It's known by various names such as 'civility', 'decency', 'stop swearing', 'did you kiss your momma with that mouth', etc. I'm fine with SJW joining that list because every time someone uses it flame wars happen and I'm sick of it.
If you are making an argument, you must back up your position. If you were in a debate, you wouldn't get away with telling your opponent to research your arguments for themselves.

As for your second point, I don't recall anyone demanding that other (now) meaningless insults - such as "misogynist" and "racist" - be banned when they were being flung at people for supporting a consumer movement, or even for just expressing a neutral opinion on the matter.
SJW is indeed a pejorative, but it is fairly mild. I could come up with much more imaginative slurs, but for now there is no need.
Posted April 29, 2016
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Reaper9988: Like Metal Gear Solid 5 ?
I can still hear the SJW cries about Quiet ring in my ear.

Or Dragoncrown ?
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Gilozard: Did those games get major press about people sending death and rape threats to the devs? No? Well, then.
Wait are alleged death & rape threats now a requirement for organized Campaigns ?

Both of the game creators were attacked and eventually bullied into apologizing or explaining their decisions.

Ok then does Hatred count ? Got removed from steam for a day till the backlash got to big and they reinstated it.
Post edited April 29, 2016 by Reaper9988
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Gilozard: It's not my job to educate you, dude. If you can't be bothered to understand terms you use, why should I waste my time explaining them to you?

Banning meaningless insults has a long and proud tradition that encompasses all political platforms. It's known by various names such as 'civility', 'decency', 'stop swearing', 'did you kiss your momma with that mouth', etc. I'm fine with SJW joining that list because every time someone uses it flame wars happen and I'm sick of it.
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Hammer49: If you are making an argument, you must back up your position. If you were in a debate, you wouldn't get away with telling your opponent to research your arguments for themselves.

As for your second point, I don't recall anyone demanding that other (now) meaningless insults - such as "misogynist" and "racist" - be banned when they were being flung at people for supporting a consumer movement, or even for just expressing a neutral opinion on the matter.
SJW is indeed a pejorative, but it is fairly mild. I could come up with much more imaginative slurs, but for now there is no need.
But we're not in high school debate, and it's still not my job to educate you.
Post edited April 29, 2016 by Gilozard
Posted April 29, 2016
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Hammer49: If you are making an argument, you must back up your position. If you were in a debate, you wouldn't get away with telling your opponent to research your arguments for themselves.

As for your second point, I don't recall anyone demanding that other (now) meaningless insults - such as "misogynist" and "racist" - be banned when they were being flung at people for supporting a consumer movement, or even for just expressing a neutral opinion on the matter.
SJW is indeed a pejorative, but it is fairly mild. I could come up with much more imaginative slurs, but for now there is no need.
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Gilozard: But we're not in high school debate, and it's still not my job to educate yo.
Then you'll just have to forgive me if I dismiss your arguments like toilet paper.
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Gilozard: Did those games get major press about people sending death and rape threats to the devs? No? Well, then.
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Reaper9988: Wait are alleged death & rape threats now a requirement for organized Campaigns ?

Both of the game creators were attacked and eventually bullied into apologizing or explaining their decisions.

Ok then does Hatred count ? Got removed from stram for a day till the backlash got to big and they reinstated it.
Organized internet harassment campaigns almost always include at least one of: death threats (sometimes including family or pets), rape threats (sometimes including family), or other stalking behavior like calling workplaces/homes, etc. So yeah, it's a really good litmus test.

Recognizing that some fans are upset and apologizing for upsetting them is not the same thing as being bullied. Also, as people making entertainment their actions are public and sometimes the public reacts - so long as that doesn't cross over into their non-professional life and doesn't turn into a constant stream of personal attacks it's not harassment.

Did the people who disliked Hatred go after the devs, or after the game? That's the key factor for me. Boycotting or trying to ban a product you think is reprehensible is understandable, but trying to punish or upset people for doing something you disagree with is wrong.

People can make/say what they want so long as they follow the decency laws. Sometimes others find it offensive. The important thing is to understand the difference between 'this person did/said something that's offensive and I am objecting to that thing' and 'this person is bad and should be hurt or silenced because they offended me'. It happens some on both sides, but the vast majority of actual harassment I've seen is clearly caused by GGers - the whole thing started because a loser had a bad breakup and decided to target his ex, and GG has embraced those tactics instead of trying to move past them and mature into a decent movement.
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