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Posted April 28, 2016
UPDATE: Heads up! There are 24h left, so now is the time to take advantage of the amazing deals and upgrade your collections. Eyes on the price, Boo, eyes on the price!



Years ago, the Baldur's Gate series changed the way we look at gaming and the scope of what was considered possible. Even now, the legacy continues through the Enhanced Editions – thanks to the hard work and years of updates to keep the inimitable Infinity Engine living on.



It's the work on the Enhanced Editions that made <span class="bold">Siege of Dragonspear</span> possible – the just-released, massive expansion to the timeless classic, available only for Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition.

"The team at Beamdog was able to breathe a new life into the Infinity Engine classics." says Greg Tito, Communications Director for Dungeons & Dragons "We're proud to recognize their excellent work in offering the best possible experience and support for these legendary titles. We want these to become the definitive editions – featuring both the enhanced and classic versions of the games."

On April 29, Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition, Baldur's Gate II: Enhanced Edition, and Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition will be expanded to include the classic versions – each becoming the Definitive Edition Bundle and not available for purchase separately. If you already own the classics on GOG.com, the games currently on your shelf won't be affected.

"We're excited to take our commitment and support to Baldur's Gate and GOG fans to the next level and humbled to work with such great partners. The Definitive Edition Bundle will give every Baldur's Gate fan what they're looking for" – concludes Cameron Tofer, Beamdog COO.



In the near future, we're also looking forward to full GOG Galaxy support for achievements in Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition, Baldur's Gate II: Enhanced Edition, and Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition – as well as in the Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear expansion.

Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition will be 75% off until April 4 11:59 PM PDT / April 5 2:59 AM EDT/ 7:59 BST and 60% off until April 29 10:59 AM PDT / 1:59 PM EDT / 18:59 BST. The 60% discount for Baldur's Gate II: Enhanced Edition, and Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition until April 29 10:59 AM PDT / 1:59 PM EDT / 18:59 BST. The 85% discount for owners of the original saga will last until April 29 10:59 AM PDT / 1:59 PM EDT / 18:59 BST.
Post edited April 02, 2016 by maladr0Id
Posted April 06, 2016
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Gilozard: ETA: I now really, really want a game where I can play a pacifist orc teaming up with a vegan demon to take down the patriarchy. That would be hilarious. Oh, make it a Dungeon Keeper sequel, where the minions are rebelling, led by one of those torturers who wants to have pants she can sit down in! LOL
Oh lol.. btw, I was editing my post before your reply, check my last part :P


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Gilozard: So much of 'historical' fantasy really relies on Tolkien's works, which were basically 'Catholic, British, Catholic, everyone is Catholic and British' and not reflective of the wide range of mythology and historical societies that actually existed.
Well, but..right or wrong, that's the "good old fantasy" I was talking about.
New types of modernized fantasy will be a different thing.
Post edited April 06, 2016 by phaolo
Posted April 06, 2016
Interesting. Both classic BG's and newer ones, "Enhanced" editions (those were enhanced with LGBT ideas obviously), have a PEGI rating of 12+.

But in Russia propaganda of homosexualism is forbidden among younglings (i.e. under 18).
Posted April 06, 2016
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phaolo: It was a bit trollish, because actually I'm not against possible new games that included that.
Probably they wouldn't just be for me, but it's ok if others could enjoy them.

BUT, don't touch my old classics! :P
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vsr: So, you don't need new games without LGBT stuff? :P
Do I need that such games will never exist?
No, more options for different people are good.

Do I need them for myself?
No, but it could probably be ok if the themes were in the right context, quantity and not forced.
(I'm not counting the L fanservice lol)
Posted April 06, 2016
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vsr: So, you don't need new games without LGBT stuff? :P
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phaolo: Do I need that such games will never exist?
No, more options for different people are good.

Do I need them for myself?
No, but it could probably be ok if the themes were in the right context, quantity and not forced.
(I'm not counting the L fanservice lol)
But will you have choice? :P
Posted April 06, 2016
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vsr: So, you don't need new games without LGBT stuff? :P
[..]
But will you have choice? :P
At this point, I really don't understand what you want to know O_o
Post edited April 06, 2016 by phaolo
Posted April 06, 2016
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vsr: So, you don't need new games without LGBT stuff? :P
[..]
But will you have choice? :P
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phaolo: At this point, I really don't understand what you want to know O_o
Bioware is on this road and there is no way it will stop.
Other companies, like Beamdog, do the same. Why they are doing this? They'll tell you!
Blame politics. Politics is using games to pursuit theirs goals.
Posted April 06, 2016
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phaolo: At this point, I really don't understand what you want to know O_o
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vsr: Bioware is on this road and there is no way it will stop.
Other companies, like Beamdog, do the same. Why they are doing this? They'll tell you!
Blame politics. Politics is using games to pursuit theirs goals.
Oh lol, I thought you were pro-LGBT. What a mess XD

Anyway, there's always the choice to avoid games, if they're crap.
I didn't buy these EEs, because Beamdog seems unfit to handle such masterpieces with the right care.
Post edited April 06, 2016 by phaolo
Posted April 06, 2016
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phaolo: *snip*
I'm all in for LGBT-Free and DRM-Free gaming. :D

Yep, i can avoid what i don't want to experience. Unfortunately, not everyone can say "No!" to games like "Mass Effect 1/2/3", because there is no games like that basically (graphics-wise, story, gameplay maybe). And it works (LGBT propaganda, i mean). As a result, humankind is not going towards what makes us all alike, but towards what differs us. This will lead to future conflicts. :(
Posted April 07, 2016
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usePowerToolz: Makes me glad I picked up the Anthology Master Collection (BG, BG2, ID, ID2, PT, ToEE) on Gamersgate for $5. Not sure if it's discontinuted there though. The store page for it only shows up if I'm logged in. Regular price is/was $19.95.

I was hoping for another GoG DnD sale to pick up the big DnD bundle but have no interest in the Enhanced Editions. This new definite edition bundle stuff seems like a reason to increase the price and keep it higher. Would seem like a bad decision to only buy 3 titles "on sale" for $24 when the regular price for 6 titles was $20 (which I picked up for $5).
I couldn't find it anymore. I thought Beamdog made GamersGate retire any IE games that aren't their own. I don't care since I have the originals already, and the EE's on Steam, but I thought it was rubbish to have the old versions taken off places, and open to Beamdog's hatred of the original work.
Posted April 07, 2016
I have the original games and i bought them for 16€ few years so, so i could get the Icewind Dale, Baldurs Gate 1 & 2 EE for 8€. So are they worth the price?
Posted April 07, 2016
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phaolo: That post of mine was a bit trollish, but.. probably yes for me.

Modern themes injected in medieval-like fantasy setting? Bleah!
Also, such minorities would have never perceived like normal in those times.
Maybe if somehow added then properly, without any hidden agendas and.. I don't know..
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Gilozard: Parts of medieval Europe were less sexist than parts of the current US. Look into Norse and Celt social structures, they're fascinating. 'Modern' themes like workers rights were the flashpoint for massive religious and cultural wars across Europe. Racial minorities were more accepted than you might think, depending on the time period and place.
I believe you based on the mindblowing amount of proof you have for this particular thing from cultures which didn't keep written documents. Interesting to see people always do this kind of cathartic revisionism on cultures whose many habits are not as well known as most others. Keep ind mind history is a balancing of theories as much as it is saying particular civilizations did or didn't do this. Looks to me like you subscribe too much to the Vikings TV show version.
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vsr: Interesting. Both classic BG's and newer ones, "Enhanced" editions (those were enhanced with LGBT ideas obviously), have a PEGI rating of 12+.

But in Russia propaganda of homosexualism is forbidden among younglings (i.e. under 18).
Inclusion needn't be propaganda. And propaganda isn't an objective term.
Post edited April 07, 2016 by Shadowstalker16
Posted April 07, 2016
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phaolo: Great, soon we'll have vegan feminist demons, politically correct pacifist orcs, gay\lesbo dwarfs families, asian\african dragons, transgender uh.. undeads? XD RIP good old fantasy. /trollmode
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_%28Dungeons_%26_Dragons%29#Lung_dragons
The Lung dragons, originally known as Oriental dragons, appeared in the original Fiend Folio (1981), including the li lung (earth dragon), the lung wang (sea dragon), the pan lung (coiled dragon), the shen lung (spirit dragon), the t'ien lung (celestial dragon), and the yu lung (carp dragon).[17] Two more were added in the 1st edition Oriental Adventures book, the chiang lung (river dragon) and the tun mi lung (typhoon dragon). The Oriental dragons later appeared in the Monstrous Compendium Forgotten Realms Appendix (1989).[18]

These creatures appeared in third edition under the "lung dragon" heading in Oriental Adventures (2001).[19]

17. Turnbull, Don (1981). Fiend Folio. TSR. p. 128. ISBN 0-935696-21-0.
18. Connors, William, et al. Monstrous Compendium Forgotten Realms Appendix (TSR, 1989)
19. Wyatt, James. Oriental adventures, Dungeons and dragons supplement. Wizards of the coast, 2001.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lung_dragon
The lung dragons (formerly known as Oriental dragons) are dragons found in the fantasy role-playing game Dungeons & Dragons.

The li lung, the lung wang, the pan lung, the shen lung, the t'ien lung, and the yu lung first appeared in Dragon #24 (April 1979). The li lung (earth dragon), the lung wang (sea dragon), the pan lung (coiled dragon), the shen lung (spirit dragon), the t'ien lung (celestial dragon), and the yu lung (carp dragon) appeared under the "Oriental dragon" heading in the original first edition Fiend Folio (1981).[1] The pan lung (coiled dragon) also appeared in the module Dwellers of the Forbidden City (1981).[2] The chiang lung (river dragon) and the tun mi lung (typhoon dragon) first appeared under the "Oriental dragon" heading in the original first edition Oriental Adventures book (1985).[3]

1. Turnbull, Don, ed. Fiend Folio (TSR, 1981)
2. Cook, David. Dwellers of the Forbidden City (TSR, 1981)
3. Gygax, Gary, with David Cook, and François Marcela-Froideval. Oriental Adventures (TSR, 1985)
Posted April 07, 2016
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Gilozard: Parts of medieval Europe were less sexist than parts of the current US. Look into Norse and Celt social structures, they're fascinating. 'Modern' themes like workers rights were the flashpoint for massive religious and cultural wars across Europe. Racial minorities were more accepted than you might think, depending on the time period and place.
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Shadowstalker16: I believe you based on the mindblowing amount of proof you have for this particular thing from cultures which didn't keep written documents. Interesting to see people always do this kind of cathartic revisionism on cultures whose many habits are not as well known as most others. Keep ind mind history is a balancing of theories as much as it is saying particular civilizations did or didn't do this. Looks to me like you subscribe too much to the Vikings TV show version.
Didn't keep written documents?...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runic_inscriptions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogham_inscription
Posted April 07, 2016
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ValamirCleaver: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_%28Dungeons_%26_Dragons%29#Lung_dragons
Ok, I made some random examples and you found that one already existed somewhere.
But did you get my point? (even if expressed in troll mode)

If some species\character\event\etc were created to add variation and still fitted the lore, then fine.
If it were added just to please X race\gender\belief.. nope.
Post edited April 07, 2016 by phaolo
Posted April 07, 2016
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Shadowstalker16: I believe you based on the mindblowing amount of proof you have for this particular thing from cultures which didn't keep written documents. Interesting to see people always do this kind of cathartic revisionism on cultures whose many habits are not as well known as most others. Keep ind mind history is a balancing of theories as much as it is saying particular civilizations did or didn't do this. Looks to me like you subscribe too much to the Vikings TV show version.
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ValamirCleaver: Didn't keep written documents?...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runic_inscriptions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogham_inscription
6000 inscriptions from the 8th-12th century, that time period being roughly the Viking Invasion period. And ofc I don't need to argue that we still don't know as much about the Vikings as well as we do about the Greeks or Romans for example. By ''Celts'' I think he meant the Celtic tribes which existed up to and during the Roman period.

Either way, history is still balancing out different theories. There are theories about this feminist utopia and ones that aren't. You can't claim as fact one theory because all of them have basis in reality. And ofc the group we include in ''Vikings'' and ''Celts'' and at which point we say the whole of the Celts or tribes / subcultures within them.
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General discussionUpdate: 60% / 85% off Enhanced Editions: Baldur's Gate I & II, Icewind Dale
Original & Enhanced to become the Definitive Edition Bundle (822 posts)(822 posts)
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