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I'm not going to support this kind of bollocks if they're going to use stuff like FCKDRM as a platform. It's immature and lame, even by MY standards.
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darthspudius: I'm not going to support this kind of bollocks if they're going to use stuff like FCKDRM as a platform. It's immature and lame, even by MY standards.
"not going to support"... what does that even mean? Are you going to buy some Steamed or Denuvoed games to teach them a lesson?
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darthspudius: I'm not going to support this kind of bollocks if they're going to use stuff like FCKDRM as a platform. It's immature and lame, even by MY standards.
Whats the problem with "immature"?

(For example most wars in known human history were caused/initiated by "mature" people. So I dont see that as desirable on its own. Also: Change often comes from the less mature parts of the population. This is IMO in itself neither good nor bad. It depends on the thing (or change) itself and not whether the naming shows some "maturity" if its good or bad.)
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Zrevnur: There is some "Day Against DRM" tomorrow. Dont know the details but have seen it not mentioned here.

Far as I understand you can "join" by abstaining from DRMed stuff for a day (probably tomorrrow?). That would include Steam, pretty much any "legal" paid video streaming, etc.
Sounds good in principle and I don't want to knock it much, but this will likely work out as well as many protests around the US/world have.....i.e. not getting much done and causing most to lose a day of work/pay if they choose to protest outdoors.
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ChrisGamer300: Single day against drm, now that is both useless and ridiculous.
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clarry: The purpose of such a day is to raise public awareness and to send companies a message.

It's an event, just like a demonstration is an event, that brings attention to their cause.

Don't tell me demonstrating is also useless and ridiculous unless you're marching and parading in front of parliament seven days a week.
It is also mostly useless, sad to say, unless your movement is PC and bowing to it's demands would be advantageous for those in power to do so.....or unless you do it so much that business for some in power grinds to a halt and they lose a ton of money/etc.

Doing this and expecting DRM to be dropped fully or even for most devs quickly is like expecting to cough and have a mountain crumble before you.

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DadJoke007: There's a day for everything now, who even cares anymore? Not that I don't support DRM-free, but when everything's special nothing's special.

Don't forget the National Talk In An Elevator Day the last Friday in July.
https://nationaldaycalendar.com/national-talk-in-an-elevator-day-last-friday-in-july/
National "talk like a pirate" day is one of my favorites.

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ChrisGamer300: Parading in front of the parliament seven days a week is different from abstaining from drm services for a day not to mention this shit is well hidden and i doubt many will even happen to see it.
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Zrevnur: That's why i'm posting it here. You can also parade in Boston - see some of the links - against DRM if you really want to.
I am not trying to be mean to you personally, but do you truly think any devs will care if some random people mill about with signs in a few cities?

Spreading the word online and getting more people into DRM-free....now THAT will have a bigger impact on DRM usage, imo.
Post edited October 12, 2019 by GameRager
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GameRager: Doing this and expecting DRM to be dropped fully or even for most devs quickly is like expecting to cough and have a mountain crumble before you.
Nobody is expecting this to be revolution.

And when revolution is not an option, the only alternative is try to and drive slow change. Or give up.

These events and campaigns are generally all about slow change -- of the opinion of the public. They might succeed or not, but without trying, they will definitely not succeed. If nobody had tried to drive the change, maybe even today women could not vote, factory workers would have no rights and would have to work 16-hour shifts 6 days a week, cars would still drink leaded gasoline and have no emission limits, etc.

In fact, most things in society change very very very slowly (except when revolutions -- usually accompanied by violence -- take place), but that's easy to forget today since the internet & other technology has caused so much rapid change.
Edit: dumb discussion.

Edit 2: No offense directed at OP, it was my OT discussion that was dumb.
Post edited October 12, 2019 by user deleted
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DadJoke007: There's a day for everything now, who even cares anymore? Not that I don't support DRM-free, but when everything's special nothing's special.

Don't forget the National Talk In An Elevator Day the last Friday in July.
https://nationaldaycalendar.com/national-talk-in-an-elevator-day-last-friday-in-july/
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GameRager: National "talk like a pirate" day is one of my favorites.

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Zrevnur: That's why i'm posting it here. You can also parade in Boston - see some of the links - against DRM if you really want to.
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GameRager: I am not trying to be mean to you personally, but do you truly think any devs will care if some random people mill about with signs in a few cities?
Misunderstanding: The "Boston parade" part was just a personalized answer to the critique "parading works better than abstaining". Like: "If you think parading is better feel free to do so. They have a planned event in Boston."
I was not trying to imply the connection which you saw in my answer. The "That's why i'm posting it here." was meant to answer the "well hidden" part.
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DadJoke007: Edit: dumb discussion.
Thx for bump.
Post edited October 12, 2019 by Zrevnur
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clarry: Nobody is expecting this to be revolution.

And when revolution is not an option, the only alternative is try to and drive slow change. Or give up.

These events and campaigns are generally all about slow change -- of the opinion of the public. They might succeed or not, but without trying, they will definitely not succeed. If nobody had tried to drive the change, maybe even today women could not vote, factory workers would have no rights and would have to work 16-hour shifts 6 days a week, cars would still drink leaded gasoline and have no emission limits, etc.

In fact, most things in society change very very very slowly (except when revolutions -- usually accompanied by violence -- take place), but that's easy to forget today since the internet & other technology has caused so much rapid change.
1st/2nd bits above: True enough, but i'd rather stuff that might affect change(faster/more change) be done first instead of the old less reliable(due to protest laws and companies not caring as much in some cases) IRL peaceful protesting. Stuff like online campaigns/spreading the ideas through word of mouth/etc.

3rd bit above: People wanted some of those things and got them due to bigger/more visible movements, and some of those were due to how said deficiencies in society/etc affected more people to such a level that they pushed harder and more for change. Sadly, most don't push for change as much if something doesn't affect them negatively too much, and many have jobs to keep that make doing long protests not as feasible as they once were(for more people).

4th bit above: True enough, but some companies won't change(due to profit motivations) no matter what people do(for the most part) usually, as they can use the law to keep the status quo and they can depend on those protesting to either give up over time or the protests to not get big enough to hurt them financially/pr wise.

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Zrevnur: Misunderstanding: The "Boston parade" part was just a personalized answer to the critique "parading works better than abstaining". Like: "If you think parading is better feel free to do so. They have a planned event in Boston."
I was not trying to imply the connection which you saw in my answer. The "That's why i'm posting it here." was meant to answer the "well hidden" part.
Ok then.....btw I am all for methods to promote DRM free if they stand a good chance of spreading/working to a good degree, and I hope this works out for those involved and does some change even if minor.
Post edited October 12, 2019 by GameRager
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Zrevnur: There is some "Day Against DRM" tomorrow. Dont know the details but have seen it not mentioned here.

Far as I understand you can "join" by abstaining from DRMed stuff for a day (probably tomorrrow?). That would include Steam, pretty much any "legal" paid video streaming, etc.

Edit 2: There are more 'hardcore' ways to join too - like a demonstration - see the lists in the links.

Some links:
https://www.defectivebydesign.org/dayagainstdrm/2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Day_Against_DRM
https://www.fsf.org/events/international-day-against-drm-idad-2019
https://boingboing.net/2019/10/11/dead-trees-live-debate.html

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https://www.eff.org/event/international-day-against-drm-1

Found this old GOG thread https://www.gog.com/forum/general/day_against_drm_1/page1 with the comment "It's a shame that GOG doesn't seem to participate." - wonder why they dont participate? Maybe the multiplayered DRM is too much DRM?
Haha, protesting. You actually think that works.

The forces of DRM are just quaking in their boots....
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TheBigCore: Haha, protesting. You actually think that works.

The forces of DRM are just quaking in their boots....
The biggest changes we get nowadays are from social media movements who use far less effort(outdoors/irl) than protesting does and gets far quicker results most times(due to companies wanting to bow to pc culture and find ways to virtue signal most times, or to get rid of bad PR).

Short of that not much affects much measurable change in most cases beyond various revolutions(which usually get quite v*olent and forceful).

(This is not me advocating for v*olence in any shape or form, in case anyone wants to jump to conclusions)
not readin' other comments because i hurt my back

yah a day or a sudden-realization motion dont mean much, hmm?
who is this for? peeps that use gogie already have this instilled
who else is stumblin' upon this? s'up, non-real dudes?

waitin' for teh disney re-releases <3
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darthspudius: I'm not going to support this kind of bollocks if they're going to use stuff like FCKDRM as a platform. It's immature and lame, even by MY standards.
holy crap, we're goin' that low? shizzzzz
ps how is scotland
i hope it is fine
Post edited October 13, 2019 by Fairfox
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TheBigCore: Haha, protesting. You actually think that works.

The forces of DRM are just quaking in their boots....
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GameRager: The biggest changes we get nowadays are from social media movements who use far less effort(outdoors/irl) than protesting does and gets far quicker results most times(due to companies wanting to bow to pc culture and find ways to virtue signal most times, or to get rid of bad PR).

Short of that not much affects much measurable change in most cases beyond various revolutions(which usually get quite v*olent and forceful).

(This is not me advocating for v*olence in any shape or form, in case anyone wants to jump to conclusions)
There are some misconceptions about "change" in society. It often doesnt come due to changing entrenched old powers but rather by making new different powers. So in this case here in order to produce change (in society) all it takes may be to spread awareness to the right person. There is even a real life example right in front of you critcs: GOG. Far as I know no one 'changed' GOG from a DRM-demonic to a (somewhat) DRM-free store. GOG was made by people who believed (if the self advertisement is to be believed) in DRM-free. However for something like this to happen such a belief needs to come from somewhere. Spreading public awareness (in whatever form) may be such a source of such a belief or may serve as a reminder that other people care about DRM-free too.
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Fairfox: who is this for? peeps that use gogie already have this instilled
I dont agree. For example I am pretty sure many "peeps that use gogie" pay for DRMed streaming services.

Edit: Or use a paid-for DRMed operating system like Windows.
Post edited October 13, 2019 by Zrevnur
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Fairfox: not readin' other comments because i hurt my back

yah a day or a sudden-realization motion dont mean much, hmm?
who is this for? peeps that use gogie already have this instilled
who else is stumblin' upon this? s'up, non-real dudes?

waitin' for teh disney re-releases <3
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darthspudius: I'm not going to support this kind of bollocks if they're going to use stuff like FCKDRM as a platform. It's immature and lame, even by MY standards.
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Fairfox: holy crap, we're goin' that low? shizzzzz
ps how is scotland
i hope it is fine
We're THAT low lol! It is fine, quite nice outside surprisingly. How are you?
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Zrevnur: There are some misconceptions about "change" in society. It often doesnt come due to changing entrenched old powers but rather by making new different powers. So in this case here in order to produce change (in society) all it takes may be to spread awareness to the right person. There is even a real life example right in front of you critcs: GOG. Far as I know no one 'changed' GOG from a DRM-demonic to a (somewhat) DRM-free store. GOG was made by people who believed (if the self advertisement is to be believed) in DRM-free. However for something like this to happen such a belief needs to come from somewhere. Spreading public awareness (in whatever form) may be such a source of such a belief or may serve as a reminder that other people care about DRM-free too.
Yes, but there is only so much "power"(of any kind) to go around......usually to give people power others need to have power taken away from them, and usually in not so nice ways(with by being shamed or pressured on social media/etc or irl in less than peaceful ways).

And yes, gog does a ton of good, but is has slipped sadly in some ways(no one world price, some countries get censored regional versions, etc).....as Gog has wanted to attract other devs and rights holders they have chosen to sacrifice some of those same pillars they were founded on, all to make a buck/keep in business. Whether this is the right thing to do is up to personal beliefs and such.

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(Also eh....I see the trolls hit my posts in here too......don't they have anything better to do?)