SnailGames is re-launching Dark and Light, a truly amazing MMO from a decade ago that, with a touch of fine-tuning, would be better than most anything on the market today. The only catch is, it's going to be "steam-only".

I was wondering if there was any chance we could also get it on GoG Galaxy? I have a lot of fond memories from my brief stint way back in the day, but I'm still not about to load that "Steam"-ing turd on my computer.

Disappointed :(. Thought this was going to be a question about the forum's colour scheme.

To answer your question: Unlikely that MMOs appear here, and if that happens there is going to be an outcry about DRM, and online-only and stuff that was posted already would appear yet again and again ad infinitum.

Weird, I'd have never really considered an MMO to have DRM; the fact that it's a client/server application makes the kind of DRM we complain about unnecessary, while being online is kind of intrinsic to the "O" part of the genre.

Ah well, dare to hope.

Honestly, I don't mind MMOs here either (as long as they're good and classic; I'd love to play Asheron's Call someday but I don't see it happening), even if you technically consider it to have DRM, it's fine by me if it's for multiplayer only (even if the game is all about multiplayer).

I'm just saying what will happen. Like for example why was an MMO named after GOG's colour scheme.

Ah I see. Maybe they just like the way GOG can be dark or light, so named their game after it. Highly likely, right? Perhaps not...

It's the key goal and grail of drm. A system where the user has no control over their software whatsoever. If the owner wants to, they can remove access, end of product. You have zero rights over your digital product. It is exactly why publishers want streaming games, so the user has nothing themselves, totally reliant on the publishers servers, hence the publishers have total control and also a captive market double whammy!

I thought it was going to be about placing GOG somewhere on KOTOR's morality scale.

Jedi and Sith wield the Ashla and Bogan. The light and the dark. I'm the one in the middle. The GOG.

I remember beta testing Dark and Light many years back. Unfortunately my machine wasn't upto snuff.

It was a great game with great ideas, I don't think this new game has much in common with the game I tested.

No Shield Boarding.

I enjoy your maniacal hatred for DRM! I really do, I'm not being sarcastic. Its genuinely pleasant to run into someone who feels the same way I do! DRM is stupid, its terrible, and its really annoying!

I honestly feel, though, that MMOs are kind in their own league - you can't HAVE a massively multiplayer online game without that client/server configuration, and at the same time to make the system function you can't let the user have much control over the software. Making the technology possible also means having those things.

Its when you apply it to single-player - or even regular multiplayer games that it gets stupid and annoying.

Then again.

From what I've seen they basically scraped the old DnL code out of the gutter and are slapping it back on the internet. The version of the game that was live when it finally went down wasn't much different than the beta(which I ALSO played, ahh the memories...)

I doubt the new one will give us back our Founders packs, but man it was a neat game! Really only needed a few pretty mild tweeks to make it fun, too!

Of course MMOs cannot run with server tech as you say, and that controls your access to the product, hence you cannot sell it on a store for which it's only selling point is drm free, no internet required to run. You cannot have drm free nternet required, the two are mutually exclusive.

But does it really qualify as "DRM" when its an integral part of the technology? MMOs aren't managing users digital rights, they're taking unavoidable steps to deliver a product. The two are only the same thing in execution, not in concept.

And I wouldn't say this store's "only selling point" is DRM-free. That happens to be the selling point that sold you and me, but there's quite a bit more. The "Good OLD GAMES" part of it definitely applies; what attracted me first to this site was the availability of, well, old games that were really good. DRM-free was just what convinced me to spend hundreds of dollars on here, buying dozens of games I'll never play...

But yeah, how would DnL not qualify as a "good old game"? It came out in 2007 and it was pretty decent.