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nightcraw1er.488: Of course MMOs cannot run with server tech as you say, and that controls your access to the product, hence you cannot sell it on a store for which it's only selling point is drm free, no internet required to run. You cannot have drm free nternet required, the two are mutually exclusive.
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rickaustinson: But does it really qualify as "DRM" when its an integral part of the technology? MMOs aren't managing users digital rights, they're taking unavoidable steps to deliver a product. The two are only the same thing in execution, not in concept.

And I wouldn't say this store's "only selling point" is DRM-free. That happens to be the selling point that sold you and me, but there's quite a bit more. The "Good OLD GAMES" part of it definitely applies; what attracted me first to this site was the availability of, well, old games that were really good. DRM-free was just what convinced me to spend hundreds of dollars on here, buying dozens of games I'll never play...

But yeah, how would DnL not qualify as a "good old game"? It came out in 2007 and it was pretty decent.
Nonsense. You could argue anything is integral to the game. Achievements, you need to be always online for, patching you need to be online for. If it helps, drm stands for digital rights management. It covers anything which restricts my rights to use a digital product as and when like without internet connection or third party software such as secure drivers or denuvo. Having a product which is online only fundamentally breaks this, putting control of the product totally in the hands of the publisher, hence does not fit with drm free, which is the only selling point as it has not been good old games for quite some time. If gog wants to rent mmos out via galaxy, then fine, but they are then no longer drm free, and we have seen them try these window stretching attempts recently already with gwent and goblins inc.
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rickaustinson: The "Good OLD GAMES" part of it definitely applies
Obligatory reminder that GOG has not been "good old games" for years now.
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nightcraw1er.488: Nonsense. You could argue anything is integral to the game. Achievements, you need to be always online for, patching you need to be online for. If it helps, drm stands for digital rights management. It covers anything which restricts my rights to use a digital product as and when like without internet connection or third party software such as secure drivers or denuvo. Having a product which is online only fundamentally breaks this, putting control of the product totally in the hands of the publisher, hence does not fit with drm free, which is the only selling point as it has not been good old games for quite some time. If gog wants to rent mmos out via galaxy, then fine, but they are then no longer drm free, and we have seen them try these window stretching attempts recently already with gwent and goblins inc.
If it helps, MMO stands for Massively Multiplayer Online - a game can't be an MMO unless it has those three things. That is why I argue that the "online" status of an MMO should not be counted in the same vein as systems that are actually meant to stop you from playing games you bought. The point of an MMO is the be playing online, in real time, with a bunch of other people.

I've actually played World of Warcraft by myself, on a private server I set up running on my personal computer. It was... interesting. As someone who played extensively back in the day it was fun to re-live all my old memories, but as far as an actual "game" goes it was like walking through a ghost town. Since the difficulty hadn't been scaled for single-player it wasn't very exciting to try and actually play. I did the same with EQ, UO,

Maybe you need to look at the MMO as more of a thing you pay for access to, as opposed a "game"? Its literally not viable to play one by yourself, and it sounds like single-player games are the only kind you can play. Even regular old non-massively-multiplayer games you will loose access to if you drive through a tunnel :P
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rickaustinson: ...
See what I meant?
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rickaustinson: ...
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ZFR: See what I meant?
Yep :P LOL!

The hilarious part is I think I'm in love with nightcraw1er.488, his hatred for all things DRM mirrors my own... except that I like MMOs to much, and he sees the O as being part of that vile, blasphemous thing. Crawler, are you going to ruin our beautiful relationship over this?! The answer is yes, because its so fundamental... /sigh
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rickaustinson: a truly amazing MMO
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Fairfox: Not possible.
Because!
Opinion.
Yeah, fair enough. I suppose it couldn't have been that amazing given that it lasted less than a year, and was also an unplayable mess during that entire time :P
Post edited June 27, 2017 by rickaustinson
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ZFR: See what I meant?
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rickaustinson: Yep :P LOL!

The hilarious part is I think I'm in love with nightcraw1er.488,
I hate DRM too.

But I'd rather we just be friends.
Whats especially amusing to me is the amazing extremes -

On one side of the pendulum, you get people who would be angry if GoG started selling an MMO because that includes something that "kinda looks like" DRM, if you squint.

On the other side, you have idiots whining about "why can't I have steam keys for my GoG purchases?"

I hate steam enough that it's a hard no, even if it means playing one of the most amazing games I've ever experienced again, but I still find the attitutde that "if its an online game it can't be here!" too extreme :P Guess I know about where I fall on that pendulum swing.