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Posted December 19, 2020
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SCPM: Good on them to take on the management like that. 5 years of goodwill burned up in one week,
That goodwill was never really deserved back then either. They did a lot of dishonest and unethical and anti-consumer things with Witcher 3, such as downgrading the graphics, and then later lying by saying they didn't downgrade the graphics, and misleadingly making the trailers look much better visually than the actual game does, and promising to release full mod tools but then reneging on that promise and never doing so, and not giving PC customers the HDR version of the game even though they did give it to console customers, etc. etc.

Yet most of the public inexplicably gave CDPR a free pass for all of that crap, and viewed them as if they were some sort of benevolent saintly company who loves all their customers from the bottom of their heart and only ever does anything based on that pure love.

It's always been a false narrative & delusion.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
Posted December 19, 2020
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pkk234: All this drama at once.
This is the first time i’ve seriously considered downloading a ton of offline installers.
Anyone have a recommended sd or usb?
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NovusBogus: I used a WD Elements 2TB external for years, never had a problem with it. Just got a 4TB WD Black but haven't broken it in yet to say whether it's going to be reliable. Nothing wrong with the old one, it's just that 2TB isn't big enough now that AAA games are occasionally going no-DRM.

edit: Bad press is bad, but CDP probably won't fold like a cheap suit over this. However, offline backups are always a good idea.
I expect EGS will swoop in to save the day.
Posted December 19, 2020
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Lord_Kane: It's levelled off at 955 following.
we could be looking at the end of GOG here people.
GOOD F#CKING RIDDANCE! No just CDPR Gog will survive without them!
Posted December 19, 2020
Can someone explain to me what exactly is going on?. Im a bit shocked considering how long the game was in development for - would have thought plenty of time to a) finish it b) beta test the crap out of it and many glitches would surely have been picked up c)staff vs management/publisher. Did the board push the release (maybe in time for Xmas$$$$)

Btw how on earth do game win awards when they aint finished?? always confused me...
Posted December 19, 2020
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: That goodwill was never really deserved back then either. They did a lot of dishonest and unethical and anti-consumer things with Witcher 3, such as downgrading the graphics, and then later lying by saying they didn't downgrade the graphics, and misleadingly making the trailers look much better visually than the actual game does, and promising to release full mod tools but then reneging on that promise and never doing so, and not giving PC customers the HDR version of the game even though they did give it to console customers, etc. etc.
Funny though how everyone complained about downgrades in Witcher 3 and there is now a big fuzz about Cyberpunk not running on a PS4.
Posted December 19, 2020
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Lord_Kane: It's levelled off at 955 following.
we could be looking at the end of GOG here people.
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fr33kSh0w2012: GOOD F#CKING RIDDANCE! No just CDPR Gog will survive without them!
I highly doubt GOG is going to survive past 2021 honestly, but that just could be the doom and gloom in me talking or depression.

544 following. not looking good.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by Lord_Kane
Posted December 19, 2020
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Robette: Funny though how everyone complained about downgrades in Witcher 3 and there is now a big fuzz about Cyberpunk not running on a PS4.
That's not an excuse to sell a game to a platform where it runs like crap. Either deliver something that works properly or don't sell it.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by Pheace
Posted December 19, 2020
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fr33kSh0w2012: GOOD F#CKING RIDDANCE! No just CDPR Gog will survive without them!
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Lord_Kane: I highly doubt GOG is going to survive past 2021 honestly, but that just could be the doom and gloom in me talking or depression.

544 following. not looking good.
Keep in mind that 'Following' on Twitter is the accounts that GOG themselves follow. Their 'Followers' is still going up about a thousand a day.
Edit: Didn't mean that directly for you, Lord_Kane, but for anyone reading who wasn't familiar.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by SCPM
Posted December 19, 2020
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MajicMan: This is unreal:

"...for a company whose slogan, plastered on posters all around its Warsaw office, is “We are rebels.” "

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Such rebels they are. Bending the knee to China over Devotion and SJWs over Hatred, Linko and twitter posts.

CDP, CDPR and GOG are the most "Stunning and Brave Rebels" - Ever.

What a joke.
They did not bend the Knee to China, which is the whole of the Chinese people, but to the CCP, which is the elite satanic ruling class of China and the most monstrous evil the world has ever seen.
They rule through fear, that's why they cannot have their figurehead Xi be likened to a beloved, innocent and pure-hearted Winnie the Pooh.
The CCP stands for mass murder, torture, rape and ultra violence ... and so does GOG/CDPR now by siding with them.

Don't believe it? Watch this Documentary about how the CCP cuts out organs from fully alive and conscious Falun Gong prisoners!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iouJsHmBDcc
Post edited December 19, 2020 by SnuggleRays
Posted December 19, 2020
I don't claim to know what exactly CDPR should have done with the game.

1. Delay it even further on all platforms, and just keep honing it.

Ok but what if the game would still have been in an unplayable state next June? What then, just keep delaying it until they have to consider moving the whole project to a newer game engine or even starting it from a scratch? How long before CDPR would run out of money doing that?

And, of course, if CDPR had announced yet another delay, people would have been very angry by that, said that the game will apparently never come out and they probably haven't even developed any real game yet, and demanded refunds for preorders.

2. Release only the PC version, and delay the PS4 and XBox One versions until they are in a better state (if ever).

Maybe, but then the console players would have been soooo angry that the publisher is favoring the PC version. I am pretty sure console players would have demanded an imminent release of the console versions, even if it was still buggy. Probably MS nor Sony wouldn't have even accepted it that the PC version was released before the console versions.

3. Release it now on all platforms in order to speed up further development, as an army of 6 million "play testers" will certainly find bugs and give more versatile feedback, than the CDPR Q&A team.

It may be this can indeed speed up the development of the game (I just read yesterday that the console versions got a 17GB update to the game, and the PC version is following soon after).

Anyway, releasing it in a buggy form can certainly be seen also as mistake, especially with the console versions.

4. Release it, but specifically as an "in-dev" game that is still in development.

Not sure if that can be done on consoles, but at least on PC. Then they could say "hey, we know it is still buggy and broken, after all it is in-dev.".

A lot depends on how well CDPR is able to fix the game's problems in the following weeks and months, both the bugs and design-decisions that many people are complaining about. The big console update yesterday seems to give at least some hope, an indication that they are not throwing the towel in just yet.

No I haven't played the game yet myself (on PC), so I don't know how broken it is. I see some feel the whole game in itself is broken and "wrongly designed from ground up" (ie. it can't be fixed unless they start the whole project from the very beginning, like that it is impossible fix the NPC cars hitting obstacles without rewriting the whole game), while some say the game met their expectations and they are enjoying it.

So I don't know yet if I will be annoyed by the game's design decisions or not. I know from the past that lots of people hated Far Cry 2 for its "respawning enemies" and "malaria effect", while I wasn't bothered almost at all by those design decisions, and I enjoyed Far Cry 2 a lot. So, I will not know before I play the game myself.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by timppu
Posted December 19, 2020
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Niggles: Btw how on earth do game win awards when they aint finished?? always confused me...
A very good question. Presumably, many of these professional reviewers are only judging games based on their graphics. Of course, they only need screenshots for that, they don't need to actually play it! ;-)
Posted December 19, 2020
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timppu: 4. Release it, but specifically as an "in-dev" game that is still in development.

Not sure if that can be done on consoles, but at least on PC. Then they could say "hey, we know it is still buggy and broken, after all it is in-dev.".
Imo, yes, if they have reached a point where they need to release it for financial reasons, but the game still isn't finished, then they should have released it as 'in development' (on PC at least). By doing that, they at least would have been seen to be being honest and acknowledging its unfinished state, as opposed to just pretending everything is fine.

It's not just the unpolished state of the game, but the way they have handled it that has been very poor. I mean, they have been stoking the hype to the max right up until the last week before release, when they must have known about all the performance issues. It's their own fault that they haven't properly managed expectations and I think that is why a lot of people are pissed - because CDPR haven't been honest and transparent.

The situation on the consoles is really inexcusable. Cyberpunk was always intended to be released on current gen consoles and they have had 5 years of development to properly performance test and optimize it. After the massive success of Witcher 3 and all the money that brought in, there can be no excuse whatsoever for not allocating enough resources to console optimization. It's nothing short of a massive fuck up by CDPR Management.
Post edited December 19, 2020 by Time4Tea
Posted December 19, 2020
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Enebias: It's capitalism. Regardless of the results, the boards always win, and screw the people who do the *real* work.
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mqstout: Friendly reminder that limited liability shareholder companies ("corporations" as we know them) are incompatible with free market capitalism. Such monstrous entities are created by government intervention in markets and perverse incentives created by governments.
Problem is that free market capitalism is the same as utopian communism. Just an utopian idea which never worked for anything bigger than on small city state in ancient times.

We actually live in a cyberpunk world right now. Just without fancy cybernetic implants just yet. The world is ruled by bank oligarchy and multinational corporations.
Posted December 19, 2020
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Lord_Kane: I highly doubt GOG is going to survive past 2021 honestly, but that just could be the doom and gloom in me talking or depression.

544 following. not looking good.
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SCPM: Keep in mind that 'Following' on Twitter is the accounts that GOG themselves follow. Their 'Followers' is still going up about a thousand a day.
Edit: Didn't mean that directly for you, Lord_Kane, but for anyone reading who wasn't familiar.
You have annoyed me, and for penance you must hear my advice: Don't pee in the wind.
[just kidding lol]
Post edited December 19, 2020 by Lord_Kane
Posted December 19, 2020
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vsr: Publishers will never learn the lesson of Gothic 3.
Well, Gothic 3 was by far Piranha Bytes financially most successful Gothic title. It looks like Cyberpunk will be CDPs financially most successful game as well.

Such circumstances can easily blur the vision...


Anyways, devs and publishers (espacially PiranhiaBytes) should learn a lesson from the gothic series in general. Gothic 1 and 2 as well as Risen are ways stronger in serveral key aspects of the open world (sub-) genre than the most well-known titles out there.
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