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ddickinson: I understand the part about increase in living costs, but what is this processed food you talk of? We have none of that around here. :-)
Processed food may be the wrong word here.

What I mean for instance that people never learn or even un-learn proper cooking, because there's this "instant" stuff containing aromas, spices and "flavour enhancers". And it's so silly really - in many cases you still have all the work peeling, cutting and slicing the ingredients and when the real fun begins - spicing it up - people use the uniform instant mix junk from the supermarket.
My aunt once made pork roast and she poured away the fond! and made sauce from Maggie or Knorr - I don't remember. I was totally in shock. My mother asked what she had done - and my aunt suddenly was shocked herself - she just didn't think about it. She would have been perfectly able to make a great sauce from the pork fond. It just didn't occur to her anymore.

But that's what the constant pounding of advertisment does to people. Step by step these superfluent or crappy things sneak into our lives if we're not on guard. We forget how to do things the proper way. We lose control over things - just like with DRM.
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toxicTom: ....
I was only joking with my response, I knew what you meant about processed food. Luckily I live in an area full of all the fresh food I can eat.

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FoxySage: Oh wow. That is a lot. I think at best i own maybe around 40-50? Maybe less... Mostly fantasy books. But also a lot of history books (mainly ancient greece/rome/egypt because that was what i found interesting as a kid), but also old geography books and some psychology books. I also have a lot of 3.5 D&D source books. I love reading about fictional settings and worlds and see how the author(s) built it up. :)

Oh, yeah. I do have some old Agatha Christie novels too that i got from my mother as a kid.
I don't have many geography books (maybe half a dozen at most) or psychology books (I don't think I own any, but I could be wrong), but I do have a nice selection of philosophy books.
Post edited February 04, 2015 by ddickinson
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ddickinson: I was only joking with my response, I knew what you meant about processed food. Luckily I live in an area full of all the fresh food I can eat.
Mild envy here. My parents and parents-in-law live in the countryside so I have the chance to get fresh and good quality food once in a while. It's really a big difference to what you can get in the city (even on market days) for a reasonable price and it's even about one third cheaper (at least the meat).
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toxicTom: Mild envy here. My parents and parents-in-law live in the countryside so I have the chance to get fresh and good quality food once in a while. It's really a big difference to what you can get in the city (even on market days) for a reasonable price and it's even about one third cheaper (at least the meat).
You can't best fruit, vegetables, and meat straight from the source :-). The problem is that a lot of the food you get in supermarkets and in cities is usually several days old, at least. If you are in a city, some things, like vegetables, are usually better to buy frozen from a supermarket, rather than the "fresh" alternative. Often the food is frozen within hours of being harvested/picked, but the "fresh" food on the shelf is usually days old. One of the worst for this is fish. Many supermarkets are selling fish that is technically off (past it's sell by date), but still selling it as "fresh". The frozen fish, however, was frozen not long after been caught.
Post edited February 04, 2015 by ddickinson
Mild envy from me to...
there are about 6 bakers in my "town", and 5 of them only sell industrially produced bread, while only one produces his own the old hardcore ways...

We have a butcher in town, but he's nearing retirement and then we'll only have the supermarkets with their "fake local biological" products left (another such hateful aspect of the commerce in the food industry).

years ago, we had a shop specialized in cheese. Shelves full of cheese, made by the farmers in the area themselves. I really loved cheese...but now we only have the rubbery muck from the supermarket left :(
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budejovice: Just when you thought you didn't have enough DRM.

http://www.slashgear.com/keurig-2-0-pod-drm-will-lock-out-unofficial-coffee-pods-03319137/
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ddickinson: I remember reading something about that last year. It's just silly. Hopefully people won't buy it. If they do, and the company deems it a success, who knows what else DRM will spread to.
Pretty sure my company will be going DRM-free when our current Keurig conks out. Are you listening GOG? Games, movies, and coffee, oh my. :)
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Vnlr: Mild envy from me to...
there are about 6 bakers in my "town", and 5 of them only sell industrially produced bread, while only one produces his own the old hardcore ways...

We have a butcher in town, but he's nearing retirement and then we'll only have the supermarkets with their "fake local biological" products left (another such hateful aspect of the commerce in the food industry).

years ago, we had a shop specialized in cheese. Shelves full of cheese, made by the farmers in the area themselves. I really loved cheese...but now we only have the rubbery muck from the supermarket left :(
I love the smell and taste of fresh bread :-). I'm lucky enough to live in an area with lots of farmers, and so the bakers and butchers here are all 100% authentic, using ingredients sourced locally. There is a wonderful cake shop near me that makes the nicest cakes and buns ever, all made the good old fashioned way.
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ddickinson: I remember reading something about that last year. It's just silly. Hopefully people won't buy it. If they do, and the company deems it a success, who knows what else DRM will spread to.
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budejovice: Pretty sure my company will be going DRM-free when our current Keurig conks out. Are you listening GOG? Games, movies, and coffee, oh my. :)
...I feel very sick... this was playing through my head when I read that.

I feel like finishing my physics education, building a spaceship and soaring of to leave these capitalist swine to rot in their foul commerce ;_;

But a world revolution might be more feasible >:o
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budejovice: Pretty sure my company will be going DRM-free when our current Keurig conks out. Are you listening GOG? Games, movies, and coffee, oh my. :)
GOG coffee? Oh, you means GOG-C (Good Old Ground Coffee). :-)
Well, that's one thing I have left;

Right next street is a little shop ran by an young couple, which specializes in self ground and prepared coffee in about 30 variations. And they also have ice cream...real self-made ice cream...
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ddickinson: I remember reading something about that last year. It's just silly. Hopefully people won't buy it. If they do, and the company deems it a success, who knows what else DRM will spread to.
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budejovice: Pretty sure my company will be going DRM-free when our current Keurig conks out. Are you listening GOG? Games, movies, and coffee, oh my. :)
When the world finally ends, any scholar who keeps track of all the warning signs will have coffee DRM as one major red flag that everything was going to shit. -laughs-
found a little appropriate quote on a clip by Richard Dawkins I was watching:

"Humanity always gets it right in the end, but not before it has tried every single possible dumb alternative first"
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Vnlr: found a little appropriate quote on a clip by Richard Dawkins I was watching:

"Humanity always gets it right in the end, but not before it has tried every single possible dumb alternative first"
Not bad, but I'd go with "Humanity usually gets it right when they have no other choice."
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ddickinson: You can't best fruit, vegetables, and meat straight from the source :-). The problem is that a lot of the food you get in supermarkets and in cities is usually several days old, at least. If you are in a city, some things, like vegetables, are usually better to buy frozen from a supermarket, rather than the "fresh" alternative. Often the food is frozen within hours of being harvested/picked, but the "fresh" food on the shelf is usually days old. One of the worst for this is fish. Many supermarkets are selling fish that is technically off (past it's sell by date), but still selling it as "fresh". The frozen fish, however, was frozen not long after been caught.
True. I often have a very good "intuition" when it comes to select fruit and vegetables. I often can somehow "see" that those shiny polished apples can't deliver what their looks propose. But sometimes it's possible to get good stuff, even in the supermarket. Local marketplaces are better, but their times are my work hours so it's not easy to go there in the first place.

When it comes to fish I most of the time buy salted, smoked or frozen. When I go for fresh fish I will look for the day of hauling.

There are sellers here that offer real biological food (fruit, vegetables, eggs, cheese, milk and meat) from local farmers. There's even some delivery service (~bio box) where you can have a weekly deliveries. We used this when our kids were little to make out own baby food (instead of buying the expensive jarred food). It's pretty good stuff really - you can "taste the soil", delicious. The problem is I could afford it long term if I was single and had my income. But it's not possible when I have to feed a family of four (+cat). We're not buying the cheapest food but going for "local biological" would double or triple out food expenses. I would not hesitate to do it if it was possible - I think food quality is a very important aspect of life.
they're both far to optimistic for me anyway :p